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Re:Whose Computer Is It? by codetrotter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:43PM (#24864066)
Speaking for myself only, I have an iPhone with iOS and a MacBook Air with macOS and a desktop computer that runs FreeBSD. Haven’t used Windows for years. Was purely Linux and FreeBSD for several years too.

Back when I left Windows, Windows 7 had just come out, and I switched over to Linux and FreeBSD because I learned about those at the university and I came to appreciate open source software.

Then came smart phones and I heard that Android ran Linux. So I was like wow finally a computer in my pocket where I can do everything I can on my laptop!

But I soon learned that this was not the case.

Mobile platforms are fundamentally different, and the terminal is not relevant for most things I want to do with a phone.

I want to record videos, watch videos, talk to people, read stuff. And I still have an SSH client on my iPhone for when I need to remote into my server to do stuff on it while on the go.

And iPhone is giving me the best experience, with the addition of being really tight on the security. And for my phone this is what I want.

I am staying with Apple until they take it too far. Then I will leave them in a heartbeat. But for all the years I have been using iOS, everything Apple has been doing has been a betterment of the experience.

The only one thing really that bothered me was I had a magazine subscription and reading those magazines is in theory only possible on iOS. Even though actually it’s just an app for reading PDF files. And I didn’t have access to the PDF files directly. But that was a minor thing anyway, and recently I jailbroke an old iOS device that I have had laying in a drawer that was running an old iOS version and I was actually able to extract PDF files from the app.

But that subscription or two that I had, those were an exception anyway. Mostly when I read something on the phone I read on the web. And all of the eBooks that I have ever bought I have bought on the computer and not locked down in an app.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by inquirerofsorts on Thursday October 22, 2020 @11:04PM (#24865661)
> I want to record videos, watch videos, talk to people, read stuff. And I still have an SSH client on my iPhone for when I need to remote into my server to do stuff on it while on the go.

I do all these things on an OS that is entirely a open source community effort using absolutely nothing proprietary. F-Droid and it's derivatives offer all these things easily. Maybe I'm missing the point here?

Can we see the source code for your iphone ssh client? How sure are you about its security?

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by admax88q on Friday October 23, 2020 @01:31PM (#24871833)
> Mobile platforms are fundamentally different, and the terminal is not relevant for most things I want to do with a phone.

Computer freedom and programming is about far more than the terminal.

My biggest issue with the locked down nature of phones/tablets is that they hold the next generation of programmers, and instead groom users to be just dumb consumers.

For many people a phone or tablet is their first and often only computer. Especially in emerging markets. You can't create on these devices, they are designed only to consume.

No more curiosity driven discovery of programming. You're not allowed to extend your device, that is reserved for silicon valley elites who can afford an additional $1500 device. So stop asking and just consume what they produce for you.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by codetrotter on Friday October 23, 2020 @03:19PM (#24872843)
> You can't create on these devices, they are designed only to consume.

Not sure I agree entirely. You still have apps for making music and video content, as well as drawing and painting etc. But I absolutely see your point. Hopefully with time they will make it possible to write and compile apps on iOS directly.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by admax88q on Friday October 23, 2020 @05:54PM (#24874678)
> Hopefully with time they will make it possible to write and compile apps on iOS directly.

I'm not holding my breath for this. There's no indication that they're planning on it and every step taken since the inception of the iPhone has been to lock the device down more in the name of "security."

Android and Chromebooks are the same.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by yencabulator on Friday October 23, 2020 @05:47PM (#24874607)
You can make what the walled garden owner has graciously allowed you to create. Now try making a video game on an iphone. That's how we used to learn to program, on Commodore-64s and such.
Re:Whose Computer Is It? by webmobdev on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:18PM (#24865150)
> Then came smart phones and I heard that Android ran Linux. So I was like wow finally a computer in my pocket where I can do everything I can on my laptop!

For linux on mobile, You want Sailfish OS - https://sailfishos.org/ not Android. Also see https://jolla.com/ who made it.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by wrycoder on Thursday October 22, 2020 @11:05PM (#24865673)
Doesn’t Sailfish OS have a proprietary UI? How is that an improvement?

Why not support a FOSS mobile like Pinephone or Librem?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_p...

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by webmobdev on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:52PM (#24890240)
I plan to. But I'll still use Sailfish OS on them.
Re:Whose Computer Is It? by usr1106 on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:39AM (#24866615)
I use it. The mission is great. The reality not so. They seriously lack resources. The software is aging faster than they can maintain it.