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Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by codyb on Thursday October 22, 2020 @12:23AM (#24854854)
That sounds like certain rural areas. I think GP was trying to talk about small town to small city America and their suburbs of which there are some reasonable middle class lifestyles going on.

In regards to your second paragraph, power in America is heavily concentrated towards rural Americans in sparsely populated states, especially at the national level, because of institutions such as the Senate and the electoral college making it rather difficult to get large legislation passed.

I wouldn’t call it helpless, there’s been a fair amount of political energy in America since its beginning.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by vkou on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:18AM (#24855900)
I am almost positive that the GP is referring to the suburbs of large economic centers. Generalizing rural America based on the life experience of someone living in Irvine, CA is completely off-the-mark.

In my second paragraph, I'm not even speaking about federal political power. The observation holds for municipal, county, and state-level political power - none of which have anything to do with the electoral college.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by eropple on Thursday October 22, 2020 @12:41AM (#24854950)
Those small towns and small cities--more the small towns than the small cities, but often those too--have those "reasonable middle class lifestyles" largely due to wealth transfers from bigger economic centers.

As a large city dweller for my entire adult life that does not bother me, but it isn't a sustainable process without those economic engines external to them.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by mythrwy on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:00AM (#24855313)
I'm not sure that's entirely true. What wealth exactly is exported from urban centers to small towns and rural communities? Tax revenue? Ya likely that.

Otherwise I'd argue the reverse. Banking, media, software etc. seem to export wealth from smaller communities back to urban centers. In this regard large urban centers can be regarded something as absentee landlords receiving grapes and oil and Amish furniture and exporting spreadsheets and compliance audits.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by watwut on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:28AM (#24855417)
Absentee landlords were issues, because they had actual ruling power over the land. Urban centers dont have decision power over rural areas.
Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by vkou on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:15AM (#24855891)
Banking, media, and software extracts wealth just as efficiently from city-dwellers.

The difference is that city-dwellers are more economically productive (For various reasons, some of which are systemic), and, after paying for all those things, are left with a surplus at the end of the year.

Not to mention that the cost of supplying more mundane, necessary-for-life goods to rural areas is higher, due to higher distances, and the inefficiencies of serving low-density markets. This is another thing that keeps rural areas poor.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by patagurbon on Thursday October 22, 2020 @03:06AM (#24855570)
>receiving

Or rather purchasing?