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Re:What ORMs Have Taught Me: Just Learn SQL (2014) by WJW on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @06:27AM (#24846409)
If it happens consistently across "dozens to hundreds" of enterprise environments as stated by the GP and with apparently zero exceptions in which they remained simple then, while maybe not a technical certainty, it should be treated as a practical certainty.

Pointing out that it's probably caused by management is not really very useful since there are so few means available for line workers to fix their managers.

Re:What ORMs Have Taught Me: Just Learn SQL (2014) by marcus_holmes on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @06:37AM (#24846452)
This is true, and I agree, but mis-attributing the problem is still not good.

After all, if (for instance) a new IDE plugin appeared that managed sprocs consistently with code and solved this problem, then we'd still face "sprocs are bad" criticism because the problem was mis-attributed.