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Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by nostrademons on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @07:24PM (#24843327)
Not a machine-learning engineer per se, but I work with some machine-learning technologies at Google. Perhaps that's when you know that AI has truly become embedded in the fabric of a company: when it's become just another tool that ordinary engineers are expected to know and use to solve problems.

Anyway, I think AI is a sustaining innovation, not a disruptive innovation. It makes existing businesses work better, but it doesn't create new markets where none previously existed like the Internet did. Google makes a ton of money off AI; the core of the ads system is a massive machine-learning model that optimizes ad clicks like no human could. But that only works because they already have the traffic and the data, which they got by positioning themselves as the center of the Internet when it was young.

I do agree that companies need to adjust their processes to take full advantage of AI rather than expecting it to be a magic bullet, but I don't know if I really think "birth trauma" is the right metaphor. More like adolescence; it's a painful identity shift, and some people never successfully make the leap. Those who can't don't die, though, they just become emotionally stunted adults that never reach their full potential.

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by hnxyz on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:18PM (#24844451)
Could you elaborate more on the widespread use of AI in Google?

Does search actively use AI as well? Is it fully dependent on a NN without manual algorithms?

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by nostrademons on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:22AM (#24844972)
Search was pretty actively against AI usage at the time I left it in 2014. Much of this was because of Amit Singhal, though: he had a strong belief that search should be debuggable, and if there was a query that didn't work you should be able to look into the scores and understand why. There were AI prototypes that actually gave better results than the existing ranking algorithms, but weren't placed into production because of concerns on maintainability. I have no idea if this changed after Amit left.

I work on Assistant now, since recently rejoining Google, and it uses AI for the usual suspects: speech and NLP.

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by Aperocky on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:35AM (#24848269)
> it uses AI for the usual suspects: speech and NLP.

Is there a place that doesn't do that? That's entry requirement right?

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by nostrademons on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @02:04PM (#24850412)
Yes, which is why I feel comfortable revealing that Assistant uses AI for speech and NLP. ;-)
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:49AM (#24845102)
Google uses a ton of AI because they have a ton of data that’s easily categorized and has clear success criteria. Without those things, it’s doubtful that AI would’ve done Jack squat for google.