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Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by Barrin92 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @05:20PM (#24842451)
>those who fail will whine on surveys about how AI is a scam and overhyped and an AI winter will hit Real Soon Now Just You Wait

isn't this very similar to the logic you used a paragraph above though when you spun it as "all great things have birth problems, just wait?". The born-again AI company rhetorically sounds more like conversation to a Christian cult than a business strategy.

This issue of huge promises of the digital revolution followed by very meagre productivity gains actually has played out not just in 'AI' but a lot of sectors over the last three decades at this point.

Even for self-proclaimed AI companies like Google, how much of Google's financial bottom line is this new-agey wave of AI, and how much of it is pagerank, a ton of backend engineering and selling ads?

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by thewarrior on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @10:03PM (#24844177)
Googles search results and ad targeting are now entirely powered by machine learning. So basically all of their revenue is now from ML. PageRank is ancient stuff.
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by fuzzfactor on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:21AM (#24844967)
>all of their revenue is now from ML. PageRank is ancient stuff.

Seems like they would be making the same money either way, so the ML advantage might not be the major factor.

Conway's Law really does seem to show here.

If you replace occurrences of AI in the article with Natural Intelligence that is what so many companies really need to implement more of beforehand.

That way any decision-making that is delegated to AI afterward will not have the same limitations that the organization already had.

You usually don't want a business model with an anti-growth pattern baked into an even more opaque and unchangeable feature.

Problem is, deep application of the NI is going to get you most of the way you want to go business-wise, after that the AI might be even more difficult to justify.

Industrial-wise, with unique & complex equipment & data, where an operator gains skill through familiarity with both, a machine can be trained to gain some of that skill.

But there will always need to be someone better trained than the machine in order to get the most out of the machine.

The best investment is often going to be in a system to leverage their ability rather than try to operate without them at all.

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by sgt101 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:18AM (#24845492)
I think that Google would be a memory without them aggressively developing and leveraging new tech (AI) for search and other ajoining services (maps, translate, adwords).

Adwords exploits automated auctions (from Multi-agent systems)

Maps uses planning

Translate uses deep networks

Search uses ??? (dunno, but it ain't map reduce for sure)

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by rightbyte on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:37AM (#24847731)
"Googles search results and ad targeting are now entirely powered by machine learning. So basically all of their revenue is now from ML. PageRank is ancient stuff."

I wonder if that is the reason I feel Google search has gotten so much more dull.

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by thewarrior on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:38PM (#24851256)
And yet people try other search engines and consistently come back to google. Because they are good at learning from data.
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by reaperducer on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @05:24PM (#24842476)
The born-again AI company rhetorically sounds more like conversation to a Christian cult than a business strategy.

Why a Christian cult? How is AI hype more related to Christianity than any other cult?

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by Quarrelsome on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @06:43PM (#24843055)
Taipeng heavenly kingdom.

Its just cultish insanity that happens to also be one of the bloodiest ever civil wars.

Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by Barrin92 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @05:35PM (#24842594)
because the born-again stuff made me think of Evangelicals, but I guess if you want to go deep into this I think there's actually a lot of unironical parallels. The singularity is kind of like the rapture for nerds, AI people get weirdly dualistic about uploading their minds to clouds, and the overlap between SV capitalism and Protestantism goes back to Weber. I think it was Charles Stross who also pointed to similarities bwetween Russian Orthodox Cosmism and Western sci-fi. Secular western people in particular get weirdly religious about AI, like some sort of psychological replacement
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by friendlybus on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:26AM (#24848749)
The US started with puritanical protestants.
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by reaperducer on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @05:39PM (#24842620)
I'd posit that those are all coincidental, and certainly not an exhaustive survey of cults or cult-like practices, Christian or otherwise.
Re:Most companies developing AI capabilities have yet to gai... by jfengel on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @06:23PM (#24842935)
For that matter, it seems that the analogy is to Evangelicals, who aren't generally considered to be a cult. They're too numerous, and while they do have many charismatic leaders, a cult usually has one particular top leader.

They do, however, practice the zeal of the converted, which is I think what they really were aiming it. And that by itself would qualify as "cultlike" by some definitions.