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Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by jolux on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:34AM (#24818132)
60mm is a preposterous amount of money for building almost any application. That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by brazzy on Sunday October 18, 2020 @11:14AM (#24818428)
The app development itself cost only 4 Million. The rest is the projected total cost through 2021 including the server infrastructure and especially the call center support, which takes about 2000 calls a day.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by jolux on Sunday October 18, 2020 @11:28AM (#24818544)
That’s a pretty large AWS bill too. But I didn’t realize it covered a call center. Those are definitely quite expensive.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by dragonwriter on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:37AM (#24818148)
> That’s like 600 engineer years of time in the US.

It's a lot less than that in terms of total personnel costs ($100K is a modest salary-only for a software engineer, it's extremely low as a full cost of employment.)

Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by jolux on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:57AM (#24818278)
Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by dragonwriter on Sunday October 18, 2020 @11:09AM (#24818387)
> Well, it’s pretty close to my salary. But I work in government.

Sure. But it's probably nowhere close to your salary + benefits + overhead cost to your employer.

Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by jolux on Sunday October 18, 2020 @11:11AM (#24818404)
My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes. 300 engineer years would still be quite a lot too.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by dragonwriter on Sunday October 18, 2020 @07:40PM (#24822043)
> My benefits are lousy but the contractor I work for probably charges my employer, yes.

On top of whatever your direct employer charges to the government agency hiring them to cover profit and other costs (management overhead, contracting overhead) associated with your employment, there's also contract management overhead for the government agency. For contractors, the total cost is usually a greater multiple of salary + benefits than it is for direct employees (though if the benefits suck enough, maybe still a smaller multiple of bare salary.)

Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by joejerryronnie on Sunday October 18, 2020 @04:24PM (#24820842)
Well, there are 2 models of SW development you can use here:

1) 30 top notch engineers to build the MVP and then iterate.

2) 300 engineers - the first 100 to step all over each other trying to build an app and the remaining 200 engineers fixing the bugs from the first 100.

Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by AdrianB1 on Sunday October 18, 2020 @01:01PM (#24819260)
IT salaries in egalitarian Europe are a lot lower than in US.
Re:EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US by okl on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:44AM (#24818191)
As an average, I guess it's about right for Germany.