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Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by joshuamorton on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:26PM (#24813007)
Can you name another communicable disease where "herd immunity through natural propagation" is the recommended treatment?

Even relatively less dangerous viruses, like influenza, have strong vaccination programs, and relatively more dangerous viruses (measles, mumps, smallpox, etc.) are only words I know because of the vaccines I got as a child. I can't think of a disease with a nontrivial mortality rate that we don't aggressively vaccinate and have public health measures to prevent. Can you?

Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by loeg on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:38PM (#24813124)
> Can you name another communicable disease where "herd immunity through natural propagation" is the recommended treatment?

This was the standard of care for chickenpox (herpes zoster, aka shingles) until 10 or 20 years ago, for example. Sure, the mortality rate is lower, especially among healthy children.

Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by joshuamorton on Saturday October 17, 2020 @05:14PM (#24813437)
> until 10 or 20 years ago

You're off by a decade and possibly two. I'm older than 20, I was vaccinated for Chickenpox. The vaccine has been commercially available for 35 years.

So I'd reiterate the question.

Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by loeg on Saturday October 17, 2020 @06:58PM (#24814104)
I'm less than a decade older than you (younger than 35!) and was intentionally exposed to chickenpox as a child at the advice of my pediatrician in the Seattle area. And I've had shingles in my 20s as well, so I'm certainly pro-vaccine.

There may have been a vaccine 35 years ago (I'll take your word for it), but it was not the standard of care even ~25 years ago.

(And to be clear, I'm not advocating for exposing people to COVID, at all. You asked a very broad question upthread with an easy counter-example — chickenpox — and I provided the counterexample.)

Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by hifly on Saturday October 17, 2020 @07:45PM (#24814376)
That’s complicated though. Getting it as an adult is REALLY nasty, hence the previous history to try and get it done as a kid. Now we immunise instead...
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by ElCapitanMarkla on Saturday October 17, 2020 @07:47PM (#24814397)
The govt offers chickenpox vaccines here in NZ for kids now. I think it has been a fairly recent addition to the vaccination schedule but it was definitely there 3 years ago when sprog number one arrived.
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by loeg on Saturday October 17, 2020 @09:24PM (#24814864)
Sure, it’s been standard of care in the US for a while as well. I’m glad! That change happened sometime after my childhood.
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by Izkata on Saturday October 17, 2020 @06:55PM (#24814088)
~20 years ago, naturally getting it was the go-to in our area. The idea was "let's just get it over with", because the vaccine isn't 100% effective.
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by secondcoming on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:39PM (#24813137)
Well, back in the day if one kid got chicken pox other parents would bring their own children around so they could get the infection done and dusted. The younger the child the better.
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by pjkundert on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:35PM (#24813100)
It’s the default treatment.

Destroying civilization in the off chance that it might help is the approach that’s worrisome.

Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by jakemauer on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:39PM (#24813138)
Can I get clarification on your second sentence? Are you saying that approaches like New Zealand's are destroying civilization?
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by ElCapitanMarkla on Saturday October 17, 2020 @07:56PM (#24814445)
A few weeks of lockdown destroyed civilisation? With the exception of international travel, life is more or less as per normal in NZ right now. What are you even talking about.
Re:'Near extinction' of influenza in NZ as numbers drop due ... by pjkundert on Saturday October 17, 2020 @09:03PM (#24814800)
Months of lockdown have destroyed somewhere between a quarter and half of all small businesses in Canada.

The resultant unwinding of commercial real-estate debt hasn’t even begun. The deflationary spike and follow-on “riding the dragon” of inflationary response by central banks hasn’t even begun.

When we finish consuming our personal reserves, and begin in earnest to try to supply food and lodging to the, what, 50% of the population not “employed” by government, what do you guess is going to happen.

It will be illuminating, at least, to those who think they understand how civilization works...