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Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by formerly_proven on Thursday October 15, 2020 @10:29AM (#24788988)
FWIW I think there is a major breakdown of The West underway that begun when China effectively ripped Western ideology apart after the end of the cold war. The Western ideology after WW2 was that liberal markets (eventually) implied (rise of) a democracy with civil liberties. China showed that this ideology is false by creating liberal-enough markets while retaining absolute state control (and the Chinese state has vastly concentrated its power, and the power within the Chinese state has been vastly concentrated as well, to the point of it effectively being a Fuhrerstate). Meanwhile The East has shown that so-called illiberal democracies can be widely accepted by the people. And the US are currently testing the hypothesis whether free speech is survivable for a democratic society in the presence of so-called social media. I strongly suspect these are going to be the sucker-punch for The West in combination with Covid-related economic crises. It is likely the liberal era is going to end within this decade.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by shadowgovt on Thursday October 15, 2020 @10:54AM (#24789224)
Essentially, the international scope of the communications tools online has allowed for free-speech absolutism to be hacked by the propaganda methods refined via the Cold War.

the NYT isn't highly likely to publish things that source to Russian propaganda ops, because they employ fact-checkers, care about pedigree of information, and change their editorial process in light of system failures. They get tripped from time-to-time, but the same trick doesn't usually work twice.

My relatives on Facebook? Not so much. Nor did Facebook (until recently) care to put an editorial eye to advertising as long as the money was green.

It is not a guarantee that a system structured like this is healthy for democracy, nor is it a guarantee that a democracy doesn't destabilize under it.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by rmrfstar on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:03AM (#24789323)
> the NYT isn't highly likely to publish things that source to Russian propaganda ops,

The people who lied us into Iraq?

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by shadowgovt on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:15AM (#24789451)
Yes, those people. As I said, they get tripped from time-to-time, but they modify their process when it happens.

In that case, they had multiple intelligence agency sources feeding them the same bad data, so their cross-checks failed. They've down-sampled the reliability of those sources in subsequent years.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by rmrfstar on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:28AM (#24789608)
Everything about your response screams "naivete".

The NYTimes role in society is packaging official narratives for mass consumption. Their MO is mindlessly repeating whatever the IC tells them. This is not a new concept [1].

[1] https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/orwells-proposed-introduc...

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by shadowgovt on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:30AM (#24789623)
How are alternatives working out? Because we're watching people worry so much about an Orwellian future that they're running headlong into a Stephensonian future.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by rmrfstar on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:36AM (#24789688)
The difference between Orwell and Stephenson is that Orwell spent time as a police officer in Burma, and a solider in Spain. Stephenson does not understand the corrupting influence of power the way Orwell does.

And the alternatives are fantastic, for those who chose to use them intelligently.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by shadowgovt on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:50AM (#24789892)
If we're going to require intelligence for the whole system to succeed, we're setting ourselves up for failure. Half of everyone is below average.

> The difference between Orwell and Stephenson is that Orwell spent time as a police officer in Burma, and a solider in Spain. Stephenson does not understand the corrupting influence of power...

So you're saying Orwell has practical experience, such that one should weigh his musings on the subject more highly, while Stephenson is some rando expositing from a place he doesn't understand?

Fascinating. What happens if a bunch of people just disagree with your argumentum ab auctoritate and accept Stephenson's musings anyway? That would result in a bad outcome?

Should we have a mechanism in place to tilt people towards Orwell's interpretation over Stephenson (such as, hypothetically, putting one and not the other on the required reading curricula of schools)? If not, what happens if the Stephensonian interpretation of risks wins out?

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by amanaplanacanal on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:54PM (#24790762)
If this were true, Trump wouldn’t have so much trouble with them.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by rmrfstar on Thursday October 15, 2020 @06:06PM (#24794717)
Them is the IC right?
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by amanaplanacanal on Thursday October 15, 2020 @06:25PM (#24794918)
Not sure who the IC is, but I thought we were talking about the New York Times.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation by rmrfstar on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:21PM (#24795524)
The "Intelligence Community".

That massive (and growing) unaccountable bureaucracy with secret law that types up the talking points the NYT helpfully launders into national security "journalism".