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Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by MuffinFlavored on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:19AM (#24785441)
Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation?

If the roles were reversed and a similar story came out about Trump and his son, would Twitter and Facebook have taken it down as part of a misinformation campaign?

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by res0nat0r on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:40AM (#24785551)
> Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation?

Yes.

Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target should be removed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-...

There needs to be more censorship on FB and YouTube which are in addition to Fox News doing WAY more damage to the United States than any foreign terrorists could ever dream.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by dunkelheit on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:58AM (#24787630)
Right there in the first article:

> There was no immediate indication of Russian involvement in the release of emails that the Post obtained, but its general thrust mirrors a narrative that U.S. intelligence agencies have described as part of an active Russian disinformation effort aimed at the 2020 election.

So the only proof that it comes from Russia is basically "that's the kind of thing the Russians would do." Aren't you spreading disinformation yourself by claiming that it is Russian disinformation?

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by Rochetshipz on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:54AM (#24788073)
Particularly, claiming Russian collusion the last time did not turn out to be true, but the Media jumped on this narrative. Let's not do it again.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by save_ferris on Thursday October 15, 2020 @09:25AM (#24788362)
This has been repeatedly debunked. Crowdstrike, who was hired for the security audit, states very explicitly that their IR team had proof that COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR had breached the network.[0]

> To reference, CrowdStrike’s account of their DNC investigation, published on June 14, 2016, “CrowdStrike Services Inc., our Incident Response group, was called by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the formal governing body for the US Democratic Party, to respond to a suspected breach. We deployed our IR team and technology and immediately identified two sophisticated adversaries on the network – COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR…. At DNC, COZY BEAR intrusion has been identified going back to summer of 2015, while FANCY BEAR separately breached the network in April 2016.”

0: https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by surge on Thursday October 15, 2020 @10:26AM (#24788962)
OP is talking about collusion and the years of investigations and other nonsense.

You're talking about an ineffective hack that's used for scaremongering, that was caught and had little to no effect on the out come of the election.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by esarbe on Friday October 16, 2020 @04:05AM (#24798692)
There were extensive contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives. Even the (bipartisan) Senate report on this states that much. There is nothing nonsense about it.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by res0nat0r on Thursday October 15, 2020 @04:45PM (#24793680)
No, the intelligence agencies already have said this is a Russian disinfo campaign and the Post should be mocked and shunned for knowingly propagating it.

https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/131658513181811507...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by thu2111 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:03AM (#24787662)
What was the "disinformation" exactly?

YouTube has spent the summer censoring doctors because their views didn't match the WHO. The WHO has changed its own views so much that it's now contradicted itself many times, showing how terribly naive Google's policies are on this. Google never used to be naive, but clearly, times have changed.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by CamperBob2 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:02PM (#24793896)
Unfortunately this is 100% true.

The real problem is that YouTube inexplicably chose to base its public health "ground truth" on WHO guidelines, when as a US company their appropriate source would have been the CDC. The two were often in conflict, particularly with regard to civilian usage of masks.

The WHO spent a lot of time being wrong -- or, at best, confusing -- and a lot of people got sick unnecessarily as a result.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by webXL on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:47AM (#24789827)
"disinformation" seems to be information that advances an unpopular narrative now. The latest newspeak for the feeble of mind.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:03PM (#24791659)
No. If there is damage done to United States, then it happens with the hands of people who suggest that undermining US tradition ( and constitution ) is the way to go. The will of the people to accept an invisible tyrant, who will allow only acceptable thoughts and punish wrongthink is terrifying and those clamor for it do more damage than any foreign terrorist could dream of.

Twitter, FB et al made a mistake ( calculated or otherwise ) and it is now hard to argue in good faith that tech companies are neutral arbiters.

To address your specific claim, if you showed me, say, RT post prior to yesterday that said what NY post posted, you would have a point. Instead, you have claims from Biden campaign staff and thanks to FB, Twitter, you now have a perceived bias in tech community that diminishes credibility of all those publications.

The fact that you seem to suggest that more like bias is needed, is, and I put it mildly, counter productive.

The story is already in full swing streisand effect mode.

edit: corrected some prepositions

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by aokiji on Thursday October 15, 2020 @03:19AM (#24785804)
No, there does not need to be more censorship. You should realize by now the Russian boogeyman narrative has no power anymore. Not everything that favors Trump is a Russian initiative. Far from it.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by vonseel on Thursday October 15, 2020 @09:12AM (#24788229)
Your bias is clear for all to see.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by huntermeyer on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:14AM (#24787750)
> Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target

^ This is the actual disinformation.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by remarkEon on Thursday October 15, 2020 @03:19AM (#24785800)
Amusing you're citing the NYT.

Their coverage in the lead up to the Iraq Invasion did more damage to this country, Her military, and the rest of the world than some mean tweets or made up BS about Russia. Should we ban the NYT, too?

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by adventured on Thursday October 15, 2020 @06:29AM (#24786955)
If the roles were reversed, the story would be on the lead story of every major left-leaning media outlet (which is all of them except Fox) in the nation for days: CNN, Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, USA Today, Reuters, AP; all of them would carry it non-stop and beat it to death, covering every possible aspect and angle. Which is what they do any time there has been a hint of a story against Trump in the past four years.

Since the roles are not reversed, they're working together to bury it and trying to pretend it doesn't exist, because they're con-artists and fake journalists completely in bed with the Democrats and very willing to conspire to throw an election and commit election interference.

The barely existent election interference by the Russians is trivial compared to what big tech is doing out in the open (hell, they're practically bragging about it at this point it's so brazen).

Several executives at big tech need to be put in prison for election interference. Start with Dorsey.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by ravenstine on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:37AM (#24787473)
People are amazingly biased, perhaps dishonest, when it comes to this. Of course the same media that propagated the Russia hoax(among others) would behave totally different if the roles were reversed. The fact that they all have acted in unison, and along with social media's draconian measures, only suggests that there's actual merit to the story.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by CamperBob2 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:08AM (#24787210)
Since the roles are not reversed, they're working together to bury it and trying to pretend it doesn't exist, because they're con-artists

Yeah, I remember when the editor-in-chief at WaPo settled a Federal suit for $20M to avoid facing charges for his role in running a fraudulent university. Good times. Then there was the NYT board member whose namesake cancer charity foundation was shut down by the state attorney general's office because it turned out to be a front for his own business and political interests. What a con artist, huh. Not to forget the time the chairman of the Democratic National Committee stiffed his contractors for $70 million on a casino project that later went bankrupt. There oughta be a law.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by Wolfenstein98k on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:36AM (#24787918)
Ad hominem. Trump may be awful, but that has no bearing on the argument you're responding to.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by CamperBob2 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @04:57PM (#24793826)
I especially like how I'm guilty of an ad-hominem fallacy, while the person calling their opponents "con artists" while citing no evidence whatsoever wasn't.

Re-examine your own biases, then post.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by Wolfenstein98k on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:29PM (#24794250)
Name-calling isn't ad hom.

Poster didn't say "they are con artists", they said "they are doing this and this, because they are con artists".

Your response was tu quoque mixed with ad hom: "oh yeah? Well the other guy is a bad person!"

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by CamperBob2 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @06:12PM (#24794787)
There is such a thing as moral authority, you know. Look around you. Does it look like you're sitting in a philosophy classroom?

(If it does, take the opportunity to freshen up on your Kierkegaard.)

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by Wolfenstein98k on Friday October 16, 2020 @02:49AM (#24798227)
I'm simply pointing out your argument was cognitive dissonance and completely ineffective.

I'm sure you could engage with it directly and without fallacy, you're obviously bright, but your replies were very low-brow ad hominem and tu quoque.

PS I don't invest "moral authority" in almost any leading politician today, though I certainly rank Biden higher than Trump in the "personal morality" stakes.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by bduerst on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:44AM (#24785581)
Yes, they were. The PDFs with the emails were created long after the laptop was allegedly dropped off and abandoned, and the tech store owner claims they only copied the hard drive. This is on top of obvious formatting errors and the removal of the email headers.

None of the information was verified (even the easily verifiable bits) and the source, who was doxxed by the NYPost, is a Seth Rich conspiracist: https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunter...

In some hypothetical "whatabout the other party", the only way to test it is if it were to happen.