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Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by dahfizz on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:44PM (#24784333)
I'm curious why you seem so confident in a widespread democratic victory when the republicans did so well in 2016?

EDIT: for those unaware, not only did the republican party take control of the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2016. They also made big gains in state elections. In fact, the republican party had a 'trifecta' (house, senate, and executive) in 25/50 states. It was a very significant shift in power: https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2016

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by ojbyrne on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:01AM (#24784797)
The Dems had a trifecta in 2008. Very significant shifts in power during presidential elections are not uncommon.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by yenwodyah on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:04AM (#24784810)
fivethirtyeight gave the democrats a 63% chance of getting a federal trifecta a week ago : https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-forecast-thinks-dem...
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by JumpCrisscross on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:44AM (#24787980)
> why you seem so confident in a widespread democratic victory

I’m not. The above analysis only depends on a lack of confidence in a GOP trifecta. That’s the only case where pissing them off could result in unilateral action and thus consequences for these moves.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by untog on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:20PM (#24784551)
You could just as easily counter and ask why anyone would expect a Republican victory when Democrats did so well in the 2018 midterms.

Previous result are only predictive to a point.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by dahfizz on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:35AM (#24787465)
The party that is "behind" always does well in the mid terms, this is a very well documentes phenomenon. In fact, I think the Dems did much worse in 2018 than expected
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by UncleMeat on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:54AM (#24787602)
That’s not true. The 538 model was very close to the actual outcome in 2018.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by dahfizz on Thursday October 15, 2020 @09:42AM (#24788558)
By 'expected' I don't mean the models where wrong, I mean the country is on fire and the Democratic party could/should have run away with the election. Instead they lost seats in the senate and did not gain back all the ground they lost in the state governments.

For comparison, the Republicans did very well in the 2014 mid term, convincingly taking over both houses of congress.

The democratic party had every advantage for a convincing win in 2018 and they instead had a very poor showing. The party is not good at elections and I don't see a reason why we expect this election to be different.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by enragedcacti on Thursday October 15, 2020 @10:07AM (#24788796)
"Democrats won the House with the largest midterms margin of all time" [1]

Dems did well in 2018, the issue was that the 1/3 of senators that happened to be up that year were in very bad states for dems geographically.

[1] https://www.axios.com/2018-midterm-elections-democrats-won-h...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by UncleMeat on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:13AM (#24789432)
The senate stayed red because there were basically zero unsafe red seats open and lots of unsafe blue seats open. If, by coincidence, zero republicans were up for reelection in the senate it would be impossible for the dems to gain seats even in the biggest wave possible. Any analysis which ignores this issue is just foolish.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by remarkEon on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:32PM (#24784639)
They did well in the House, but lost seats in the Senate. Midterm elections are an imperfect signal, like you're suggesting, but it's not true that the democrats won a landslide or something in 2018.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by sdenton4 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:46PM (#24784705)
The Senate map for a given year can tilt towards one party or another; 2018 was a structurally bad year for the Senate Dems.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-horrible-2018...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by remarkEon on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:52PM (#24784746)
Right, this is a good data point in favor of the argument that it's unwise to extrapolate too much from midterm races for the general.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by UncleMeat on Thursday October 15, 2020 @07:55AM (#24787609)
No. It is a good datapoint that one should consider the seats in play when making claims about the senate. The map this time is much less unfavorable for the Democrats.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by toomuchtodo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:04PM (#24784460)
Many polls are showing a Biden win is above 80% probability, the House is solidly Dem, and a possible sweep in the Senate. Make of that what you will.

Its a fair point that polls missed in 2016. 2020 has kicked the hornet’s nest (rather, the last four years), voter turnout appears to be higher than previous years, and I’d bet an expensive bottle of bourbon current polls align close to what results will be (with modeling lessons learned from 2016).

Tangentially, quite a few Trump voters have simply aged out over the last four years (roughly 1.8 million voters over the age of 55 die each year). Broadly speaking, much older voters skew conservative compared to younger cohorts (per Pew Research), hence the confidence in a shift towards the left across branches in government representation during this election cycle. GOP support is quite literally dying out.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/907433511/trumps-base-is-shri...

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generati...

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-chance-taking-senate-fore...

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/12/biden-tops-270-poli...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by rayiner on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:29AM (#24784942)
Except Millenials are becoming more conservative as they age, and Republicans have way more kids than Democrats: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republicans-more-kids-democra...
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by toomuchtodo on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:35AM (#24784972)
Rural conservatives who have kids will eventually have those kids leave for good paying jobs in urban areas, or those kids will likely not have a great life expectancy from lack of opportunity in their small community (dying small communities are well documented: https://www.google.com/search?q=dying+small+towns) and deaths of despair (alcoholism, meth, opioids: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolinekee/maps-despai...). As long as prospects for women continue to increase (education and earning potential), and the data shows well off educated women prefer a partner on equal footing, conservative birth rates will eventually converge with that of other ideologies (this can be inferred from the total fertility rate trend for religious vs non religious women of childbearing age).

While your point about ideology drift over time has some merit, I don’t believe it to be significant enough to materially consider.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/706889?jou... (https://doi.org/10.1086/706889 if you want to grab the full paper from SciHub)

“Consistent with previous research but contrary to folk wisdom, our results indicate that political attitudes are remarkably stable over the long term. In contrast to previous research, however, we also find support for folk wisdom: on those occasions when political attitudes do shift across the life span, liberals are more likely to become conservatives than conservatives are to become liberals, suggesting that folk wisdom has some empirical basis even as it overstates the degree of change.”

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by jb775 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @01:08AM (#24785135)
> Rural conservatives who have kids will eventually have those kids leave for good paying jobs in urban areas, or those kids will likely not have a great life expectancy from lack of opportunity in their small community (dying small communities are well documented)

If only a worldwide event would take place where the entire business world deemed it acceptable to change policies so employees can work remotely, then realize they can save boatloads of money by not paying inner city office rents and reduce employee salary expenses by vastly increasing their applicant pool, coinciding with significant increases in inner-city violence sparked by rioting protestors demanding to get rid of the police or else they'll burn the entire city down......oh wait

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by mindslight on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:53AM (#24789931)
"Conservative" has become such an overloaded term that it's useless. IMO Biden is the most conservative candidate in this race.
Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by nobody9999 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @03:44AM (#24785949)
>Many polls are showing a Biden win is above 80% probability, the House is solidly Dem, and a possible sweep in the Senate. Make of that what you will.

I'd point out that it's not the polls that are predicting such things. Rather it's people who are interpreting those polls.

Polls are just a snapshot of opinion in time. They are useful and can provide information about public opinion, but they certainly aren't predictive in the way you're stating.

Making predictions like "Biden is 80% likely to win" is a guess. Possibly based on polling data, but are not a poll.

A poll reporting[0] that the respondents of that poll prefer one candidate over another is not a prediction, rather it's data.

[0] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general...

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by jungletime on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:30PM (#24790461)
The polls are way off because they oversample democrats, which can be seen when you start looking at results by counties.

Some rural counties that are know to be republican strong holds by a huge margin are favouring Biden by ridiculous amounts. Its not going to happen. Its obviously an error, and the accumulation of these errors are the final polls. (Source https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YqKDpqkYBOKV)

Its true that the democrats are winning the early mail in voting. But since republicans don't trust mail in voting, as Trump told them to vote in person. They will come out on election night, by a large margin.

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by toomuchtodo on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:18AM (#24833883)
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/18/924182086/early-voting-analys...

“Early voting turnout continues to shatter records, as sky-high voter enthusiasm meets the realities of the United States' creaky machinery of democracy amid a pandemic. That means long lines in some places and administrative errors with some mail ballots, but a system that is working overall, according to experts.

More than 26 million people had voted as of Saturday, according to the U.S. Elections Project, a turnout-tracking database run by University of Florida political scientist Michael McDonald. That's more than six times the number of votes cast by the same point in 2016.”

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by pyuser583 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:47PM (#24784714)
But isn’t American society becoming older, due to Boomers low birth rate?

Doesn’t that mean older generations have more influence?

Re:Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting by toomuchtodo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:49PM (#24784725)
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-mille... (Gen Z, Millennials and Gen X outvoted older generations in 2018 midterms)

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/28/millennials... (Millennials overtake Baby Boomers as America’s largest generation)

Young voters outnumber older voters, but this is mutually exclusive from an aging populace and a declining birth rate. You can chalk it up to population momentum and previously higher levels of immigration. It does mean Millennials will hold on to their electorate influence longer though.