News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by EGreg on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:41PM (#24778626)
I don’t understand something about showbiz.

Tons of fans of shows like The Tick and Limitless have wanted it to continue. They would watch it, and so on. Someone made a decision to pull the plug.

Similarly, I have never seen anything other than gushing reviews and can’t-wait expectations of the Cadillac Ciel since the 2011 pebble beach show, but then the company never produced it, instead creating some sort of coupe. The Ciel was only ever seen in that Entourage movie.

The phenomenon of not listening to the fan base is real. But here is my question...

WE ARE IN THE AGE OF DECENTRALIZATION AND DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE. Why not have a platform where people raise money for shows, and whatever budget that is, the show makes episodes for it? Like Patreon meets kickstarter, or Patreon with a loan component for future shows.

That way, the only way a show would get canceled is if it went bankrupt and was unable to pay its loans from its Patreon-like revenues.

More generally, some company has the infrastructure (which is centralized for now, like Netflix) and we have to rely on it being magnanimous enough to let the public have a say. Teams to create shows come together as gigs anyway. We explored using such business models for software back in 2016:

https://qbix.com/blog/2016/11/17/properly-valuing-contributi...

But today, can’t you just use the Web multicasting for publishing/streaming the end result, or hosting it on some networks as a commodity hosting, and then production of the show would be funded using cryptocurrency?

How expensive would it be to acquire rights to a Netflix show that was canceled? Why would they not simply give it away for some equity in the new crowdfunded show? It would be like IPOing a show after piloting the first couple seasons. It would become a business model.

Why would this not work to bring back fan favorite shows, and create communities around them too? Why do we NEED centralized stuff like Netflix AT ALL?

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by majormajor on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:58PM (#24778848)
I think you're significantly underestimating the amount of money that would need to be raised and overestimating the amount of people who would put their money where their mouth was and fund multiple seasons of these shows. Serenity, the Firefly movie, was sort of this, and it cost a lot for a two hour movie ($39M per Wikipedia) and didn't do a ton of extra revenue over that budget ($40.4M).

If there's something structurally preventing it, it's that the big studios and especially the "streaming as a loss leader" stuff players Amazon and Apple TV are making so many big-budget/high-production-value shows that audience expectations and standards are very high.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by pessimizer on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:04PM (#24779583)
And reported budgets don't include marketing. The rule of thumb is that a reported $40M movie will have $40M spent on marketing, so if you hear a movie broke even, it really means that it lost an amount equivalent to its entire reported production budget.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by EGreg on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:34PM (#24779278)
So then just release episodes less frequently, like Moffat’s Sherlock, without sacrificing on production quality. Yeah the cast gets older but if the fans really wanted, they would click the button to recruit friends to pay recurring fees to it.

After all, I’m simply saying make a Netflix but where the amount of minutes you watch to the end determines how much you want to allocate from your payment that show. You have a chance to fix up the allocations before the end of the month, when they are committed.

The decision is taken out of the producers’ hands and instead of cancellation past some political threshold, results in slower episode velocity.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by majormajor on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:40PM (#24779330)
"Get paid more slowly for doing less work" doesn't sound appealing from the perspective of any of the people who would be doing the creative work.

Doing it a "netflix but pay based on what you watched" isn't the model you need, because the shows that are getting canceled today would need disproportionately larger payments per person. Since they have fewer viewers.

So unless those fewer viewers are willing to put up substantially more money, the people making the shows are going to keep looking for other options too.

(You also have big startup costs for this enterprise, if you're trying to do it as a platform vs kickstarting a single show. Think Quibi-style user-acquisition-problems, but not your pitch tp users isn't "short episodes on the go" it's "we pay creators with a different methodology.")

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by srtjstjsj on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @05:25PM (#24781791)
Ugh, Moffat's Sherlock, despite having very few episodes (about 12), was dead in the water halfway through because it turned into Moffat's trademark LOST-style garbage string along of ever less sensical unresolvable plot twists