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Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by anonymouswacker on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:35AM (#24774134)
Have you tried them and not had results? Because there are a lot of N=1s anecdotes about it working for people, hence the large following he has. Wim’s techniques helped me quit medical marijuana, and drastically improved my productivity and general wellbeing, including my sex-life due to stress-induced ED. It is only one flavor of breathwork, but I think you could be doing a disservice to yourself to label it all a pseudoscience, as if only narrowly-defined “science” has merit for human life, which has existed and thrived long before the double-blind RCT...
Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by coldtea on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:09AM (#24774313)
>Have you tried them and not had results? Because there are a lot of N=1s anecdotes about it working for people, hence the large following he has.

Placebo, make-believe and self-dellusion often work, especially for the kind of people looking into a miracle cure, which is what such leaders tend to accrue...

Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by collyw on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:15AM (#24774351)
If placebo works as well as many prescription drugs, why is it looked down upon so much?
Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by chimen on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:20AM (#24774378)
It's being looked down by the same people that tend to believe in miracle cures. One has to make his own reality true in order to cope with society and scrutiny. Placebo is required in trials for new medicine actually, far from being looked down upon.
Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by coldtea on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:55AM (#24774574)
I guess placebo was the wrong word here -- as it implies effectiveness.

Replace it with pure make-believe of "feeling better" (as opposed to any physiological improvement).

Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by collyw on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:59AM (#24775994)
"Pure make believe"?

Negative thinking can have a detrimental effect on physical health - usually labelled as stress. It seems completely reasonable that positive thinking could have positive heath benefits (assuming that our base line is somewhere in the middle between positive and negative). We should be investigating the mechanisms and encouraging people to do what has positive results.

Homeopathy sounds like a lot quackery to me, but if it works (via placebo or otherwise) and can improve peoples outcomes in a cost effective manner, then I am all for it.

Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by coldtea on Thursday October 15, 2020 @08:29AM (#24787871)
>Negative thinking can have a detrimental effect on physical health - usually labelled as stress. It seems completely reasonable that positive thinking could have positive heath benefits

Sure. But that's neither here nor there, as bathing in ice cold water is not the mechanism - positive thinking is.

The idea that the Hof's regime did it, is what's the dellusion.

Re:Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health bene... by anonymouswacker on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:15AM (#24774349)
That is sometimes true, and sometimes not.