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Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by cobookman on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:53AM (#24773207)
Let it sink in that East Palo Alto, former murder capital of USA has less crime per-capita than San Francisco.

East Palo Alto is a shining example of how a township/city can clean up its streets in a short time period, by investing in the community.

SF = 2018 was 690.89 per 100,000 population EPA = 2018 was 470.14 per 100,000 population

Src: EPA = https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/east-palo-alto/crim... SF = https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/san-francisco/crime...

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by noodlenotes on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:46AM (#24773497)
Did East Palo Alto actually turn things around, or did it just gentrify as housing prices in the nearby cities went up and up?
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by nradov on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:50AM (#24773523)
That happened in the mid 1990s before the latest wave of gentrification.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by ponker on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:24AM (#24774395)
Does it matter? The city is now safe.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by tupputuppu on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:33AM (#24786643)
Indeed. San Francisco of all places should have benefitted from the huge wave of gentrification, yet the outcomes point in the opposite direction.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by millstone on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:17AM (#24773338)
I did not know that East Palo Alto had improved so much, that is great news! Can you recommend any articles on what specifically was done?
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by pottertheotter on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:45AM (#24773495)
I'm pretty sure gentrification is the primary driver. You also have Ikea and Four Seasons within the city boundaries, and Facebook HQ right next door.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by cobookman on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:59AM (#24773563)
Gentrification has a part, but so does the work of city & community leader. East Palo Alto became a city in 1983, before that the county handled the area's affairs...and given the smaller size/population it was not a primary focus.

A lot of credit goes towards the police relationship - https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/02/how-east-palo-alto-sh...

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by gumby on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:15AM (#24773663)
Yes, there was a specific gentrification plan that included the Ikea/Home Depot complex and separately the Four Seasons Complex, but they appeared due to quite a lot of prior work.

In the early 80s (82 or 84) they decided to incorporate on their own rather than join Menlo Park (they were just an unincorporated part of MP at the time, and still share a school district and, I believe, the fire district too). Calling the new town East Palo Alto (though Palo Alto itself is in a completely different county) was smart, despite earlier efforts to name the not yet incorporated place "Nairobi".

They had been county land so had had only had a sheriff; but before the Whisky Gulch (where four seasons complex now stands) was built they already had a municipal police department.

So yes you could say "gentrification" but it was a proactive policy by the city government.

IIRC the last active farm in the city limits was sold after 2000, lasting longer than Mountain View or (except for stock) Palo Alto.

The "murder capital" label was true only because the population wasn't high making the rate high. I personally never felt unsafe there though I only filled my car or got a coffee there.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by nradov on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:28AM (#24775727)
Well Ikea plans to open a store in SF next year so I'm sure that will fix everything.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by nradov on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:49AM (#24773517)
East Palo Alto also received significant law enforcement assistance from the state and neighboring cities. I wonder if SF leaders would want the CHP patrolling their streets?

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-01-09-19940090...

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by throw9872349872 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:59AM (#24773250)
Wow.. so violent crime in SF has the same rate as death by covid19? Puts things into perspective..
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by jameslk on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:34AM (#24773430)
Where are you getting your numbers for COVID-19 deaths for SF? Cumulative deaths in SF for COVID-19 is 123 so far according to https://data.sfgov.org/stories/s/COVID-19-Cases-and-Deaths/d...
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by foota on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:48AM (#24773508)
Those aren't death rates, they're the rate at which violent crimes are committed. Only some of which result in deaths.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by kwillets on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:34AM (#24773758)
Drug overdoses are far ahead of CoVid.