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Re:Project Cybersyn by monocasa on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:01PM (#24770254)
> Nope. The Beagle conflict had already begun decades earlier and there was an unsuccessful arbritration with the help of the UK in 1971, during Allende's presidency.

Following those defintions, the Beagle Conflict goes all the way back to the 1880s. Still failing to see how this is something to remove the legitimate government over and install a brutal dictator.

> If Chile had a civil war, that would have accelerated Argentina's invasion plan.

So, alternative plan, don't have a coup _or_ a civil war. Respect the democratically elected government rather than killing the president in his office.

Re:Project Cybersyn by 29athrowaway on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:15PM (#24770385)
The civil war was imminent because people were hungry. And the ones were not hungry were underfed and had to wait for hours in endless queues to get a bag of rice, a bottle of oil, etc.

As illustrated in a quote from one of your favorite comrades:

"Every society is three meals away from chaos", Vladimir Lenin

Re:Project Cybersyn by monocasa on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:23PM (#24770485)
Because of collusion with the US government to help "make the economy scream" as was listed in meeting notes between the CIA director and Nixon.

These people would rather destroy their own economy than give the socialists a fair chance, then use that destruction as "see that's why we need to kill the president".

Re:Project Cybersyn by 29athrowaway on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @08:30PM (#24771931)
Imagine you take the #1 ideological enemy of the US, e.g.: communist during the cold war.

Now, imagine you hypothetically decide to call yourself exactly that. And then, run for president of a country and manage to get elected.

What do you think will happen to you if you do that? It does not take much IQ to figure out that is certainly going to end really bad for you.

It is a really stupid idea, and that is what Allende did, and he suffered the consequences.

Because that is how things work in the real world.

Re:Project Cybersyn by merridew22 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:51PM (#24772649)
>It is a really stupid idea

This comment assumes that in the past, governments around the world always made decisions to placate the U.S., as if whether the U.S. approval or disapproval is required for nation-building. While this may have been true for some countries that considered the U.S. response, it wasn’t widely known that if you made an earnest attempt at “new” social organisation, you’d be killed and replaced by a newly minted, U.S. approved fascist.

>Because that is how things work in the real world

It may look like that’s how things work; i.e. make the U.S. mad and suffer the consequences. But in 1970 there were multiple conversations about how to build a country, and by 1973 there was one less. I personally prefer a reality in which there are multiple methods for governing people, instead of this one-size-fits-all approach that, in 2020, appears to be ill suited for solving modern problems.

Re:Project Cybersyn by antiutopian on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:30PM (#24772540)
So you agree, socialism would be good - it's just not possible because of the predictable ruthlessness of the capitalists.
Re:Project Cybersyn by 29athrowaway on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:16PM (#24772773)
It's not about capitalism.

If you oppose the international community and their leaders, they will oppose you in different ways.

They will sanction, boycott, sabotage, denounce, impoverish and indebt your country... and if none of that works they will invade you. That's the way it has always been.