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Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by JumpCrisscross on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:13PM (#24755970)
> This is an encroachment on free speech

As a strong-form First Amendment supporter and free speech advocate, this sort of fundamentalism is the greatest threat to free speech across the world.

Nobody is arresting the groups fomenting outright violence against their fellow Americans. We aren’t even saying they can’t use the banking system to collect resources or our public spaces to share their ideas. We’re literally saying they’re limited from using a mob-inducing micro targeting tool.

When that gets lumped in with vilifying speech, it gets easy to curtail both.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by raxxorrax on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:39AM (#24763529)
I strongly disagree, I don't mind some people shooting beyond reason on that topic. Misattributing issues of free speech is common. It is even more dangerous to say it would just concern the government.

But even that pales in comparison with peer pressure and fears about missing something, the main driver of virality on platforms like facebook. Restriction on free speech can be subtle. You just don't speak about it or are compelled to say something specific or face retaliation.

That there is some retaliation if there is someone openly denying the holocaust is a dishonest argument.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by tomp on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:35PM (#24756222)
Can't you be a holocaust denier (i.e. a strictly historical perspective) without also being pro- "outright violence"? That's like removing all of BLM just because some of them are also violently rioting...
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by UncleMeat on Monday October 12, 2020 @01:02PM (#24756580)
There is no strictly historical perspective that leads to denialism. It is fundamentally tied to antisemitism and providing ammunition to modern day fascists and racists.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by tomp on Monday October 12, 2020 @02:10PM (#24757477)
Sure, but surely you can be a fascist without also being violent? I mean surely you can be a communist without supporting violent revolutions...
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by UncleMeat on Monday October 12, 2020 @03:06PM (#24758162)
I don't believe that you can. The core belief system of modern neonazis is the protection of the white race by excluding non-whites. It takes violence to remove non-whites from their nations. And then, because of the one-drop rule, the ratio of white people will always drop across time. This necessitates violent responses. All neonazis agree on the goal and there is just one means to possibly achieve that goal: ethnic violence.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by tomp on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:31PM (#24759118)
You’re pretending that all political goals can only be achieved through violence.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by UncleMeat on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:04PM (#24761560)
No I'm not. Many political goals can be achieved without violence. Creating a white-only nation is not one of those goals. That one specifically necessitates violence and this makes neonazis fundamentally violent.

Do you honestly believe that if the neonazis were in charge that I'd be given speech rights?

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by TeaDrunk on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:49PM (#24756430)
From what I understand the violent rioting is a small minority and distinctly not the objective of the greater BLM movement.

Holocaust deniers turning out to commit hate crimes, encourage violence, and going on to aim for violence towards minorities is well-documented to be a significant proportion of that group.