History is written by the victors, eh? I guess we'll just have to wait and see (or, rather our descendants will).

History isn't written by the victors. This is a common if pithy misunderstanding. For example, there has been explicit effort among historians over the last 40 years to give voice to previously silent actors throughout history. Examples include women, the poor, and the colonized.

I don't think it's a misunderstanding so much as a tautology. "Giving voice" is something victors decide to do on their own terms, they're still the ones writing history.

History professors come from a variety of backgrounds. Many of them are from groups that are still struggling in the US (ex. trans people). The definition of "victor" must become so amazingly broad that it becomes useless if you want to encompass modern historical narratives.

The Holocaust indirectly lead to (a the abolishment of centuries old anti-semitic laws (from Magna Carta) (b the establishment of the state of Israel. I'm not implying 'they won', but they are in a better place now than they were at the beginning of the century.

> but they are in a better place now than they were at the beginning of the century.

At the cost of the thousands of innocent lives (Palestenians and others) they murdered. Kind of ironic given what they went through.

I know it's not what they're going for, but sometimes I wish HN would follow FB's example.

Another HN commenter who's never wrong and knows everything!

N'ah, there's plenty I don't know. I'm just using my free speech to make my preferences known regarding this service I use and support via my attention.

"Using my free speech to make my preferences known to limit other's free speech". Got it.