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Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by vorpalhex on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:50AM (#24754893)
How would you have them weigh in on the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, or Tianenman?

Each of those conflicts has deniers of various levels, some of whom are states. And, if Facebook gets it wrong (and perhaps decides the Tianenman square massacre was a hoax by the West to discredit the CCP) - how should we respond then?

This is a company that was censoring pictures of mothers feeding their babies, but still has content promoting the use of bleach to cure Down's and autism. Do you really trust them to engage in censoring at all?

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by 082349872349872 on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:55AM (#24754955)
Getting it wrong implies they need to make a choice.

Does Facebook need to show the same feed to everyone? I had had the impression they tailored it.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by nailer on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:56AM (#24754975)
I'm not sure why this is downvoted. There are many people, particularly in Tukey, who deny the Armenian genocide (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it). Tiananmen is also downplayed by CCP officials outside China and denied within China.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by eitland on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:00AM (#24755029)
Probably because the comment is taken to mean that we shouldn't do anything about this case because we aren't doing enough on the other ones.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by nailer on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:06AM (#24755111)
I don't think that's what it's arguing for, but rather than Facebook should have a consistent policy.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by eitland on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:18AM (#24755263)
If so I'd encourage them to rewrite the post to make that clearer.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by vorpalhex on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:33PM (#24756196)
There are several ways to respond. We can take the absolutist position that Facebook should never censor - and that may be OK if Facebook actually holds to that positions and trains their audience correctly ("Hey, everything on your feed is unverified and you should never consider anything you read here as having value").

Facebook has a long history of engaging in censorship of some kind though, so that's very unlikely as an actual outcome. They could try to form a coherent policy ("We shall censor nudity, things that disagree with US history books and anything that shows violence that isn't a cartoon") but those policies are probably impossible to write.

They're probably in a ditch they can't rescue themselves from so they're going to stick to the "Well, we'll censor it based on how our censor feels at the moment and their individual preferences, and if we don't agree with that later, we'll fire them and make up a new policy" which is what they've been doing for a while.

I don't imagine Facebook would say, allow the Snowden disclosures under pressure from the US, so I don't see how they can claim any moral ground on what they would or would not censor. Everyone hates Nazis, but the interesting cases are beyond that. Never assume a practice run is in good faith.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by nailer on Monday October 12, 2020 @03:11PM (#24758236)
Judging from the replies it's clear to most people
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by kaibee on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:07AM (#24755123)
> (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it)

This isn't exactly accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks

Unless you're also condemning Rod Stewart as being pro Armenian genocide or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEW5XLnQRx8

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by nailer on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:10AM (#24762748)
The CUP faction of the Young Turks were in power in 1915 when the genocide began.

From the page you just linked to:

> Around this period, the CUP's relationship to the Armenian Genocide shifted. Early on, Armenians had perceived the CUP as allies;[citation needed] and the beginnings of the Genocide, in the 1909 Adana massacre, had been rooted in reactionary Ottoman backlash against the Young Turks. But during World War I, the CUP's increasing nationalism began to lead them to participate in the genocide. In 2005, the International Association of Genocide Scholars affirmed[16] that scholarly evidence revealed the CUP "government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens and unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches.

Rod Steward isn't running a political podcast, so our expectations are lower.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by analyte123 on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:10AM (#24755158)
Comparing the Holocaust to any other state-sponsored atrocities is arguably downplaying or in Facebook's words "distorting" the Holocaust.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by Zpalmtree on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:11PM (#24755944)
Why? The holodomor has a comparable amount of deaths resulting from it
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by eitland on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:58AM (#24755008)
> How would you have them weigh in on the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, or Tianenman?

Let's not forget any of them!

> Each of those conflicts has deniers of various levels, some of whom are states.

Keep reminding our politicians.

> And, if Facebook gets it wrong (and perhaps decides the Tianenman square massacre was a hoax by the West to discredit the CCP) - how should we respond then?

Let's not hesitate doing the obvious right thing today because of ifs/buts and whens in the future.

Cross that bridge when you get there.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by Cthulhu_ on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:02AM (#24755071)
I googled for Facebook, Turkey and the Armenian genocide; one of the first results was a page titled "Armenian Genocide Lie" so there's some improvement to do there.

Not sure about Facebook in the Ukraine; I googled it and an information page came up first, not sure if people in the Ukraine can actually access it.

Facebook is banned in China, so that's not an issue there.

Anyway Facebook is far from perfect, and in cases like this they have to push their own agenda; they try to look neutral and an open platform but in some cases it's difficult.

I want to mention something about facts vs government denial, but in some cases said facts / history itself is rewritten, to the point where we can no longer be sure. I wouldn't be surprised that if the right-wing gains more power, we'll see another modern biblioclast with e.g. historical records of the holocaust and/or slavery removed. The (failed) Confederate state's remnants already tried that by writing their own elementary school history books wherein slaves were depicted as well-treated helpers (look up the Daughters of the Confederacy, or e.g. https://www.facingsouth.org/2019/04/twisted-sources-how-conf... ).

The effects of the losers writing the history books in the South are still felt today (it's only been a few generations, and the pro-Confederacy history books were still being used up until the boomers generation).