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Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by oefrha on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:40AM (#24738262)
It’s not like Indian/U.S. government didn’t ask Google to take down TikTok from the Play Store.

As long as they operate an app store, they will be a target. Just might not be the only target.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by VHRanger on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:38AM (#24738545)
You can sideload tiktok on your android if you're so inclined.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by zepto on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:55AM (#24739028)
So what? If that was a practical means of installing it for most people, the governments would go after whoever hosts the APK.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by extropy on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:06AM (#24739456)
That is a way more difficult target to hit. People can follow a 3 step instruction easily enough.

That's kinda the point that having a single controlling entity makes the ecosystem vulnerable to this kind of pressure.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by zepto on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:44AM (#24739696)
People don’t follow 3 step instructions easily enough. That’s exactly why Apple is so successful.

I wish it weren’t so.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by CydeWeys on Saturday October 10, 2020 @12:30PM (#24740029)
Motivated users (which protesters definitely count as) will absolutely manage to successfully sideload an Android app. Especially seeing as how they are all routinely physically meeting up with many other protesters, so all it takes is running into someone who helps them get set up. Back in my Ingress days I had a similar situation where we were doing a big operation using a command and control coordination sideloaded app. Most of the people were able to figure it out ahead of time, but the last few had others help them download, install, and configure it when we met up for the op. Protests would be exactly the same thing.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by dane-pgp on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:16PM (#24742615)
> the governments would go after whoever hosts the APK.

Have you thought about what that would mean in practice? Given that the APK could be hosted on multiple (TLS-enabled) foreign sites, a government would need a team of people to be constantly monitoring the web for sites containing the APK, who would then send orders to domestic ISPs demanding that they prevent their customers from accessing those foreign sites.

I believe it is also possible to share apps via Bluetooth.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by nobody9999 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:29PM (#24742688)
>Have you thought about what that would mean in practice? Given that the APK could be hosted on multiple (TLS-enabled) foreign sites, a government would need a team of people to be constantly monitoring the web for sites containing the APK, who would then send orders to domestic ISPs demanding that they prevent their customers from accessing those foreign sites.

You mean like the MAFIAA[0] has been doing for decades?

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/MAFIAA

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by dane-pgp on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:11PM (#24742885)
My understanding is that the legal and technical process for getting ISPs to block access to a foreign website is one that takes weeks or months. Also, even with this power, I'm not sure how effective the MAFIAA have been at stopping people from downloading copyrighted media:

https://www.mobiles24.co/downloads/s/96965-m1769-speak_softl...

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by nobody9999 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:45PM (#24743418)
I believe you're absolutely correct.

My point was that any similar attempt would likely be just as unsuccessful.