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Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by WalterBright on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:39PM (#24735495)
Going through my bank statements at tax time, I noticed a weird check for $80 that was unaccounted for. Getting the check image, it was:

1. Not my name for the payer

2. An out-of-state address

3. Check was not on my bank's paper, they did the logo wrong, etc.

4. Signature was someone else's

Essentially, everything was wrong but the account number. The bank cashed the check, and blamed me. I got very angry about that, and basically sat in the manager's office until he agreed to refund my money.

A couple months later, I ran out of blank checks, and went to the bank to order more. They gave me a song-and-dance about the advanced "security paper" for the expensive check blanks they wanted to sell me. I literally laughed, and told them you guys don't check the name, the address, the signature, and certainly not the paper, and walked out and bought more checks from an online company.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by orf on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:54PM (#24735581)
Still using checks is the problem here.
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by WalterBright on Friday October 09, 2020 @07:59PM (#24735617)
See my other posts on this topic :-/

Also, the image of the bad check was what got my money refunded. An electronic trail is simply not as good as a paper one when there's a dispute. A cancelled check is gold in a dispute.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by orf on Saturday October 10, 2020 @05:26AM (#24737709)
How does the rest of the world manage disputes fine without using a paper slip as proof?

The fact “bad checks” can exist is the problem, which necessitates the use of a literal paper trail.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by gallego2007 on Friday October 09, 2020 @08:31PM (#24735764)
Can’t upvote this enough! Checks should have been done away with long ago, but I guess some landlords still like to cash them in-person...
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by mcny on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:23AM (#24736857)
Did you know that accepting credit card payments could mean you have to pay three percent (maybe more?) in charges and fees?

It is insane.

Maybe FedNow will change things?

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by sizzle on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:23PM (#24740395)
Cozy.co direct deposit for my tenants has been great for years absolutely no hiccups.
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by Thorrez on Saturday October 10, 2020 @02:49AM (#24737104)
Aren't there other options besides checks and credit cards? Like Venmo?
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by Larrikin on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:41AM (#24738940)
I don't think Venmo permits high volume commercial transactions. They want you to use PayPal for that.

The real answer is more prevalance of free ACH transfers. Some companies still like to charge the unneeded credit card fee for those too sadly.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by wasdfff on Saturday October 10, 2020 @04:22PM (#24741604)
There are services like zelle but the daily limit is often too low to make a rent payment in a high cost of living city.
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by codeduck on Saturday October 10, 2020 @03:41AM (#24737263)
EFT.
Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by jlgaddis on Saturday October 10, 2020 @02:34AM (#24737063)
Meh, using paper checks -- and being able to pull up the scanned image online at any time -- has saved my butt at least twice in the last two years (to the tune of a few thousand dollars).

There's only one thing I (typically) use them for nowadays but they do occasionally come in handy at times.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by m463 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @02:40AM (#24737079)
Can you explain to me why you're not making a

"why is this gate here, let's take it down!"

type comment?

Checks are extremely useful to individuals. You can pay for something, it has no overhead, and you have your own audit trail.

You can probably fake a fax machine or a certified letter too, but I think they are useful too.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by orf on Saturday October 10, 2020 @05:13AM (#24737654)
The rest of the world is doing fine without them and the associated levels of fraud that comes with a random slip of paper allowing you to transfer large quantities of money. I haven’t even seen a check in decades and even if they are technically legal in the UK for a few more years, nobody accepts them. Why would you?

The US has a ridiculous level of bank/payment fraud compared to Europe (~15x in some areas, according to the fed), who invested in chip+pin, SEPA, IBAN, etc etc. This all lets me pay for something with no overhead and maintain my own audit trail in a way that doesn’t involve a trust-based system from the 1800s.

Re:Robinhood Accounts Looted, No Customer Support by m463 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @12:06PM (#24739851)
> The US has a ridiculous level of bank/payment fraud

The US also has strong consumer protection laws.

I remember a friend of mine had a father in mexico and someone misused his bank card and he was SOL.

In the US, there are laws protecting credit card holders. The most that can be lost is $50 (or $500 in cases of extreme negligence).

What is really happening is that with minimized repercussions a lot of things have almost been decriminalized.