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Re:If pay had kept pace with productivity gains, minimum wag... by ForHackernews on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:43PM (#24733655)
Another really great illustration of exactly this subject was this article comparing janitors at Kodak in the 1980s with janitors at Apple (but not employed by Apple) today: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/tale-of-two-ja...

> Yet the biggest difference between their two experiences is in the opportunities they created. A manager learned that Evans was taking computer classes while she was working as a janitor and asked her to teach some other employees how to use spreadsheet software to track inventory. When she eventually finished her college degree in 1987, she was promoted to a professional-track job in information technology.

> Less than a decade later, Evans was chief technology officer of the whole company, and she has had a long career since as a senior executive at other top companies. Ramos sees the only advancement possibility as becoming a team leader keeping tabs on a few other janitors, which pays an extra 50 cents an hour.

Re:If pay had kept pace with productivity gains, minimum wag... by 908B64B197 on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:19PM (#24734547)
There's an other issue here: Evans bootstrapped herself by getting a (relevant) degree.

The spreadsheet story is nice, but even having these skills back in the 80's was way less common than today. The article should also have looked at how much tuition was relative to the cost of living/salary Evans was making, and if Ramos could afford it today.

Re:If pay had kept pace with productivity gains, minimum wag... by ForHackernews on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:49PM (#24734778)
Did you read the whole article?

> Evans was a full-time employee of Kodak. She received more than four weeks of paid vacation per year, reimbursement of some tuition costs to go to college part time, and a bonus payment every March. When the facility she cleaned was shut down, the company found another job for her: cutting film.

She was able to bootstrap her career at least in part because Kodak offered tuition reimbursement and other benefits.

Re:If pay had kept pace with productivity gains, minimum wag... by 908B64B197 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @12:07PM (#24739865)
> Did you read the whole article?

I did.

What I would be curious to read is an accountant taking a look at Ramos finances and figuring out how she could afford (or not) to get the same degree.