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Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by jrockway on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:41PM (#24723725)
That's an interesting piece of data and I'm glad you posted it. I also use a 3970X and can't get it to 4.4GHz even with all but one CCD disabled (much less all-core). I am on air cooling, though, and suspect that switching to water cooling would help a lot. I hit 90C almost instantly under load. (I use the automatic overclocking and can do 4.2GHz all core; much better than the specified 3.7GHz all core.)

Since I don't run into Threadripper owners very often, I'm wondering if yours also has a pretty high idle power? Mine idles at 80-90W (reported; 200+W from the wall) which is surprising to me coming from the Intel world. So much electricity wasted simply because I am too lazy to turn off my computer.

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by greggyb on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:57PM (#24723869)
I have a hunch that I won the silicon lottery with it, though I haven't confirmed with any overclocking. I'm happy to dive deeper if you want. Below is a basic summary.

I have 5x140mm intake fans, with a Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 cooler. That runs with push-pull 140mm fans, 2000RPM in/1500RPM out.

This reaches steady state within a few minutes under load. With an open case, it will clock down to ~4.2GHz after 5-10 minutes. With a closed case, that is faster. For fun, I ducted the A/C vent in the room into the case and cranked it. It stayed reliably up around 4.4GHz all core. Technically, I think it would reach a lower steady state clock/higher temp if I left it for days, as it does noticeably warm the room.

I don't recall idle power, but yeah, it's warm.

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by jrockway on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:03PM (#24726318)
OK, that's really neat. I have almost the same setup except use 120mm fans on the NH-U14S (to clear the RAM, I populated all 8 slots ;)

I am very tempted to switch to water cooling. Seems like I could make it a little quieter, and get a little bit more performance. $1000 more performance? Probably not. But it would be a fun project.

(In general, I am blown away by the Threadripper's performance. I have C++ builds that took 15 minutes on my 6950X that now take 2!)

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by greggyb on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:51AM (#24730438)
My fans are offset ever so slightly to account for RAM clearance, as I, too, have eight sticks. I think we basically built the same computer with a couple different choices (;

I lose millimeters of fan coverage (I have millimeters of fan peeking over the top of the tower), but I opted for this, since I get more airflow over the width of the cooler. The effect is probably measurable in single-digit percentage differences in a highly controlled test.

The big thing for me was the case airflow. That thing throws off so much heat that my case ambient temperature was growing to be 10C or more above the room ambient. Hence the 5x140mm intakes. The back of that machine is a nice heater when I'm crunching anything big.

My goal is to keep those fans, but attached to radiators. I think 5x140mm of radiator should give me much better heat transfer.

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by amarshall on Thursday October 08, 2020 @06:12PM (#24724486)
I have a 3960X on Gigabyte Aorus Master with an RX480, 1080 Ti, X520 NIC, 3x SSDs, and my total-system idle on Linux is 180–210 W. I do agree that the high idle is frustrating, as it dumps a lot of heat into the room.
Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by NorwegianDude on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:32AM (#24728235)
That's high! I would expect around 100W without the NIC and the second GPU. But it's high even when accounting for that.

You could undervolt slightly, it usually results in less power consumption and higher performance as a result of lower temperature.

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by heelix on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:47PM (#24726595)
Got a few of these and water absolutely make a huge difference. Open air chassis with a large radiators I intended to cool video cards with... not that one can be found right now. Enclosures were turning mine into an easybake. Surfing at 46C, mid 60s pushing it hard. The dust bunnies can get ugly, however.

https://i.imgur.com/SpMMPXQ.jpg

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by floatboth on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:18PM (#24725736)
Yeah, you don't want to hit 90 degrees on Zen. Unlike many other CPUs, max stable frequency on Zen clearly decreases with high temps. Time to build a water loop :)

re: idle, you do have pstates enabled, right? ("Cool'n'Quiet") firmware likes to disable it when you overclock in the setup screen, have to turn it back on

Re:AMD Zen 3/Ryzen 5000 announcement [video] by jrockway on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:59PM (#24726301)
Yup. Hitting 90C is basically what limits the top speed, so I know that better cooling might help.

I do have pstates enabled. Power and frequency scale up as you'd expect, in response to system load.