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Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by echelon on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:22PM (#24723484)
> How is literally designing your chips to a point where they could be desktop class to replace x86 not innovation?

That's more a sign that the company wants more profit by owning the top to bottom stack.

Perhaps they saw the existing chipsets as not delivering what they wanted or not scaling to fit demand, but it's still an investment not directly tied to product (their core competency).

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by chipotle_coyote on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:32PM (#24724159)
> That's more a sign that the company wants more profit by owning the top to bottom stack.

Is bringing mobile/embedded and now desktop-class CPU design in-house really something one does as a cost-saving measure? Apple wants control over their entire stack, and sure, that relates to their business as a whole, but if this was solely about profit maximization surely there would be better strategies.

> it's still an investment not directly tied to product

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning here. Are you arguing it's not a direct investment because the CPUs aren't products in and of themselves, but rather components for other products? If so, I don't agree -- Apple's investment in, say, case tooling/manufacturing processes and equipment exclusive to their products is surely an investment directly tied to those products, right? The CPUs are likewise components exclusive to Apple products. That seems to me to be a pretty direct investment.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by Analemma_ on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:07PM (#24725347)
I don't understand this response at all. Does innovation not count if you're not doing it for charity? For several years I was reading articles about how Moore's Law was totally over and we couldn't expect any more improvements in chips, and then along comes Apple to blow x86 out of the water.

> but it's still an investment not directly tied to product (their core competency)

I don't even agree with this- Apple's core competency is the top-to-bottom customer experience, which they (almost certainly correctly) think they can improve by making their own silicon. But even if it was true, so what? Again, "investment not directly tied to product" doesn't make innovation "not count".

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by Aperocky on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:07PM (#24726354)
> an investment not directly tied to product (their core competency).

Heavily disagree, the only reason I would renew my mac in the next 6 month is because the ARM chip, and I will as soon as it comes out.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by LarvaFX on Friday October 09, 2020 @04:31AM (#24727954)
me too
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by mschuster91 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:34PM (#24723633)
> That's more a sign that the company wants more profit by owning the top to bottom stack.

They pretty much had their hands tied. Intel failed to deliver for years now, and AMD never had a competitive offer on mobile and still does not.