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Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by lizknope on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:09PM (#24721973)
IBM still designs their own silicon.

They still make chips in the POWER architecture and the Z architecture for mainframes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_z15_(microprocessor)

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by mywittyname on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:49PM (#24722384)
IBM is a very capable company when it comes to technology R&D. But they've always seemed to struggle to develop those capabilities outside of high-end consulting work.

IBM had the technical chops to create the likes of ARM, nVidia, or any number of big tech companies. They just never seemed to have the leadership capabilities to get out of their comfort zone. I understand the idea of keeping a business focused, but Alphabet and MS don't seem to struggle with managing a diverse portfolio of companies.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by mulmen on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:05PM (#24722568)
I wonder how IBM looked at 22 and 45 years old.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by relaxing on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:17PM (#24722731)
The answer probably depends on where you define the "birth" of IBM - the founding of the companies that merged to create IBM, the date of the merger, or the date they changed the name and/or began producing business machines with the name "IBM" on them.

In the context of the thread, it's reasonable to say that both at 22 and 45 IBM had strong leadership (Watson Sr.) that successfully managed a diverse group of subsidiaries. Although in neither case are there any products like a modern digital computer involved.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by rusk on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:10PM (#24722624)
At 45 I guess they were expanding into Europe.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by GnarfGnarf on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:42PM (#24723011)
Yep, selling Hollerith card equipment to Germany in the 30's and 40's.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by mulmen on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:58PM (#24723196)
That math doesn’t work out. IBM was formed in 1911. 45 years old would be 1956.

Also doing business in Europe in the 1930s doesn’t mean that’s when they expanded. That business could have been decades old by then.

Some quick reading of the history of IBM and subsidiaries suggests they were doing business in Europe by the 1920s.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by boogies on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:12PM (#24723367)
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by nix23 on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:10AM (#24728136)
Maybe in 20 years we talk about Apple/Microsoft/AMD etc like that...but it's not Germany but China.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by gowld on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:18PM (#24726073)
It's not like the Holocaust survivors were the ones in the the commuting offices witnessing the deals.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by nradov on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:56PM (#24722468)
IBM failed to leverage their silicon designs for driving down their cloud costs. As long as the IBM cloud runs mostly on third-party hardware they have no sustainable competitive advantage.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by rbanffy on Thursday October 08, 2020 @07:13PM (#24724966)
They offer their POWER machines as AIX and IBM i environments, as well as IBM z as LinuxONE VMs (under KVM instead of z/VM) with encryption everywhere for the security paranoid.

I suppose a z15 LinuxONE cloud offering would be attractive for them to offer because of all the built in observability, and also because those cores can be ridiculously oversubscribed before anyone notices.

As for pricing, they wouldn't need to pay their margins unless they eat into their other segments.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by gridlockd on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:34PM (#24722918)
Running on third-party hardware is leveraging comparative advantage. Like Itanium, POWER is more expensive and there are very few reasons you would want to run on it. Definitely not a good fit for Cloud.

Full vertical integration isn't necessarily good business. Even Apple doesn't do its own manufacturing.

Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by rbanffy on Thursday October 08, 2020 @07:16PM (#24724993)
POWER is more expensive for us to buy, but IBM pays for it by the square inch of silicon. By that metric, it's probably very competitive with other server platforms. With OMI, they can also offer larger instances than anyone else while having more flexible tenant allocation because a single node can host a lot of tenants of different sizes up to the size of the full node, which could dwarf anything AWS and Azure can offer.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by Zenst on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:06PM (#24722580)
Sony PS/3 was a bold move though in that vain.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by dn3500 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:33PM (#24722902)
I've been trying to figure out whether the mainframe business is being spun off or retained as part of this split. Haven't been able to figure out whether IBM even manufactures this equipment. I know they outsource the chip fab now. I'm not even sure what the mainframe is called any more, they seem to change the name every couple of years. IBM Z? zSeries? System Z? Something with a "Z" in it I think.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by rbanffy on Thursday October 08, 2020 @07:04PM (#24724894)
Their latest is the z15 and their branding refers to IBM z (the same way they call their POWER lines IBM i, for the descendants of the AS/400, and IBM p, for the POWER boxes that run PowerVM, Linux and AIX). They build them mostly to order, in-house.
Re:IBM is splitting itself into two public companies by pm90 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:18PM (#24722048)
Additionally, the article doesn't mention IBM research, which I assume will continue to stay with IBM.