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Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by bphogan on Thursday April 21, 2011 @04:01PM (#2472133)
We always, always use the SLA offered by a vendor as the basis for our information. We trust it more than any marketing page, sales pitch, tech support FAQ, or anything else. That's what they'll hide behind, so that's what I'll have in mind when I design my setup.
Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by justinsb on Thursday April 21, 2011 @04:11PM (#2472175)
I think it's great to check the SLA. However, there's enough wiggle room in the AWS SLA that I think this outage could continue for the rest of the month, and Amazon would still not owe a penny. I don't even know that the SLA covers this outage, because network connectivity isn't affected.

Even if Amazon breach their SLA, I think they only have to refund 10% of one month's bill per year - i.e. a 1% discount. I suspect they'd make a good profit even if they paid out a full 10% refund every month.

Unless an SLA is accelerated - i.e. >100% refund - I don't think it's worth taking particularly seriously.

Of course if an SLA only guarantees 95% uptime, that's probably a big hint to design for failure!

Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by bphogan on Thursday April 21, 2011 @04:17PM (#2472190)
Yeah but I don't care about getting my money back as much as I care about how much they claim to be down.

It's like the hard disk maker that gives you a 1 year warranty vs a 5 year warranty... which one believes in their product more? :)

Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by justinsb on Thursday April 21, 2011 @04:32PM (#2472244)
It's a good analogy and I certainly accept your point. It could just be a marketing thing though:

Suppose it's the same hard disk with a black sticker instead of a blue sticker. Drive with 1 yr warranty @ $100, 5 yr warranty @ $150, 20% additional failure rate over the extra 4 years, 50% redemption rate on failed drives. Cost per replaced drives = 20% * 50% * ($100 + $30 processing costs) = $13 = $37 profit.

Totally fictitious numbers to try to prove my point, of course :-) But as the SLA becomes increasingly low in value, the signalling value decreases in my book.

(Edit - fixed my math!)

Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by marshray on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:41PM (#2472663)
It tells you very little.

One of them may be planning to be out of business, sell the HD business unit in 2 years, shove off the risk via financial wizardry, etc.

My guess is the great majority users will not RMA a dead hard drive after 4.5 years regardless of the stated warranty. Even if they did, it would only represent replacement with a future smallest-possible-capacity drive.

Re:AWS is down, but here's why the sky is falling by polynomial on Saturday April 23, 2011 @11:04PM (#2478181)
> here's enough wiggle room in the AWS SLA that I think this outage could continue for the rest of the month, and Amazon would still not owe a penny.

While agreeing it's not about the money it's about my site being up, I nevertheless was pretty shocked by this statement.