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Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by qqii on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:56AM (#24718681)
This is quite unfortunate news but not surprising. This effectively turns Privacy Badger for the majority of users into another block list.

Fingerprinting vs ad tracking protection has been an ongoing war. The natural escalation to tracking protection is to fingerprint even harder. I'd expect most power users who like to configure their extensions and blocking lists to be suprised how much information thst provides to differentiate them. Even without that browsers by default share a lot of information with every website (https://panopticlick.eff.org/).

I don't see a good ending to this war. Solutions like Firefox containers requires you to be extremely thoughtful in your site usage and don't protect from more advanced fingerprinting techniques (that for example cloudflare employs). The web is fundimentally a little broken here.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by heresie-dabord on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:35AM (#24718964)
Given the pervasive commercial surveillance system, a user needs to have several protective layers just to browse the WWW:

a browser with security extensions (although a good browser should be built with security as a design principle, not as an "add-on")

ESNI and DoH (even though Cloudflare can see the aggregate)

DNS caching and blocking in the subnet

iptables/nftables blocking of undesirable IP address ranges by the router

edit: It's safer to leave the dysfunctional WWW alone and use only RSS.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by tremon on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:58AM (#24719666)
Disagree on DoH though, because it defeats DNS caching and blocking in the subnet. Plus, many people trust their own provider more than yet another US corporation.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:08AM (#24719779)
It defeats DNS caching and blocking in the "subnet" because for most US users the DNS provider is an adversary, and trusting it would be a mistake.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by sildur on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:33PM (#24721540)
But there is an entire world outside the US. I trust my local ISP way more than a US corporation.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:45PM (#24721674)
That's fascinating, but now you know why people in the US are quick to embrace DoH in its default configurations. And, of course, nothing ties DoH to major US corporations. You can DoH to a NUC in your cousin's bedroom closet.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by SAI_Peregrinus on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:13PM (#24722667)
I run DoH on a raspberry Pi with piHole. And then DoH from it to Quad9's servers. DNS blocking, with DoH.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by tptacek on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:18PM (#24722735)
You can also just run Pi-Hole directly on something like Fly.io, and DoH to it from your local machine. :P
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by musicale on Friday October 09, 2020 @01:06AM (#24727022)
Interesting - I assume their free tier is enough to run this.

However, local caching on the Pi might yield faster lookup time.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by judge2020 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:00PM (#24720376)
They're all only useful in certain circumstances.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by Pet_Ant on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:43AM (#24719504)
> It's safer to leave the dysfunctional WWW alone and use only RSS.

Is their any evidence that Google killed Google Reader because it interfered with their Ad/user-tracking metrics business?

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by totalZero on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:01PM (#24731210)
Why is this unfortunate? It's a change to a default setting. You can still turn it back on, I think.

Ideally you're using a multi-layered approach, meaning that much of the ugly stuff should be filtered out upstream of your browser extensions anyway.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by jamesgeck0 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:37AM (#24720118)
The "community learning" feature they mention investigating at the bottom of the article sounds like the best of both worlds: automatic learning without fingerprinting and a pre-trained block list.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by dpkonofa on Friday October 16, 2020 @08:27PM (#24806394)
This would even be effective, in my opinion, if they just merged your fingerprint with other, random users.
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by Animats on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:01PM (#24721869)
This is quite unfortunate news but not surprising. This effectively turns Privacy Badger for the majority of users into another block list.

Yes. Privacy Badger was not just an anti-tracker. It's also something of an ad blocker. Since ad sites tend to track, it learns to block them.

Checking "cnn.com" right now, Privacy Badger is blocking 36 sites. These include "static.ads-twitter.com", "c.amazon-adsystem.com", "www.googletagmanager.com", "ad.doubleclick.net", and "amplify.outbrain.com". Blocking those knocks out most of the ads from the big players. Two of those are Google's, and they probably don't like being blocked by a large number of users.

Taking that away to prevent a theoretical approach to tracking seems like a sell-out by EFF.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by crossroadsguy on Thursday October 08, 2020 @10:29PM (#24726131)
Firefox Containers ought to just let do such things:

1. Open every new website (the one which doesn't have a saved container for it) in a new random/untagged container - destroy that container and data/everything when I close the last tab of that site

2. Unless I tag/name that container for that website and then persist it the way you do - and give me one click operation to tag name and (maybe select an icon/colour for that container)

3. What about giving website favicon as an option to the container icon

4. Get rid of those "Oh you are opening this website B (container_B) from a website A (container_A) - do you want us to open it in container_B instead"? "Always"? Yes! Yes! Make it default or give me an easy options to make it default damn it - give me an option the first time where I can mark "always do this"!

5. Do we really need special container for Firefox and then for the rest? Why not ship with a default already set container in the Multi Container add-on that's Fb container?

There's an option "Select a container for each new tab" but it's not very helpful as it lets you just choose either one among all the existing containers, or "No container" and that is blocking pop-up.

Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by Tarq0n on Thursday October 08, 2020 @11:44AM (#24720205)
Is this fingerprinting javascript-based, and therefore can be circumvented by whitelisting scripts, or are there server-side methods as well?
Re:Privacy Badger Is Changing to Protect You Better by totalZero on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:09PM (#24731299)
I'm not a security expert so I may be wrong (if so, someone please educate me). My impression is that if you own several websites and trackers, you can identify users by the specific combination of blocked and non-blocked trackers, plus data about their machine/OS, ISP, screen resolution, and browser languages, as well as checking to see if browser permissions are turned on for notifications, location, and the like. I'm not sure you can prevent that with a javascript-based approach alone.