It makes sense insofar as it's designed to reduce the odds of successfully obtaining an H1B.

Remember, this was shepherded by Stephen Miller and others in the administration whose explicit aim is reducing immigration by every lever available.

Thank you.

People thinking this is some kind of "good move" need to try to remember what administration they're talking about. If you don't understand the play, it's not because you're not being played.

You don't need to believe the administration is Satanic, white nationalist, or whatever else.

It is politically advantageous for them if fewer immigrants enter the United States, because immigrants tend to vote for the other side. And so they wish to reduce immigration. Like everything else in politics, it is simply about power.

That’s a misrepresentation of their point.

They’re merely suggesting that when considering this immigration policy it should be taken into account that the administration creating it has white nationalists as policy advisers.

Nope. GP is very clearly asserting that Trump is playing everyone:

> If you don't understand the play, it's not because you're not being played.

If an anti-immigration admin makes a move that seems pro-immigration, be suspicious. At the very least it is only pro-corporate.

How would this reduce immigration? 85k people will still move to US from H1B every year after these changes, it just will be different 85k people from before unless they change the number.

H1Bs aren't really immigrants, in fact the visa explicitly forbids permanent residency.

No, this is wrong. It's a duel intent visa. You can apply for your green card while on H1B.

I stand corrected, I was thinking of an E-3 visa.

Wow, I was told Microsoft only hires people with at least a BS degree. I guess that's mot entirely true.

mot at all

How did you get hired as a kernel engineer without a degree out of college?

I had good amount of low-level programming experience with Z80 and x86 assembly, including implementing my own bootloader for a file system design of my own. I got the basic data structures and algorithms down and finally, I passed the interview. I had about 10 years of professional development experience when I was hired.

The original poster can give the real answer (I have a feeling you know what I'm about to write and want the _story_) but:

For certain technically focused jobs it's easy for other skilled practitioners to tell that you can do it.

A degree is nice but is actually less useful for signalling than concrete, interesting work in the field because the latter is rarer.

I've seen this play out particularly in computer security and low-level software development.

Where lack of qualifications really holds you back is when you're being hired by non-experts. They usually can't evaluate "direct evidence" and must rely on credentials instead. Paradoxically this means you can have an easier time getting hired without a degree at a "top" company than a mid-tier one.

What you say is true, but thousands of smart grads apply for big tech companies, why choose someone without a degree?

Microsoft doesn't regard new graduates and industry experts interchangable. When I was hired, I had about 10 years of professional software development experience, especially in low-level areas (such as firewall software, data transfer protocol design, DOS-based GUI libraries, terminal emulation and so forth). I had good amount of operating system architecture knowledge too. I probably didn't have the fresh mind and well-formed education of a new graduate but I think I compensated that with the experience pretty much okay.

If you assume people are more or less fungible except for some "Q" (quality measure) sure, you probably wouldn't hire someone without a degree. You would sort your applicants by "Q" and drop everyone below a cutoff. I suppose I would call this the "human resources" view.

On the other hand if you have a team of domain experts who are passionate about subject "S", they don't actually care about "Q". They care whether you have deep interest, expertise and potential in their domain area. They want to know what you can bring to their team. Now, a lot of times a good candidate will be someone with a PhD in "S", but it's not about the qualification. It's about "S".

"No degree" hires usually don't come in the HR front door as a "fungible human resource". They usually get noticed or referred by someone passionate about "S", for a job doing "S".

I don't actually know if this was the OP's situation; there are other ways this can work. Good recruiters will try to hoover up talent by searching for people with relevant work experience (substituting that for a degree) and throw them into the funnel.

Presumably because this person was provably better than the other candidates.

A degree is valuable in some regards, but it is not a mark of quality of candidate. Similarly the lack of a degree is also not a mark against a candidate.

kernel/shmernel, why not? Ain't like a kernel is a mystical land in a far away galaxy. It's just another program. In DOS era every program was a kernel when was running. If you wanted to play nice with others you'd do a TSR program and make sure you did not freeze the PC. I know it's an oversimplification but the basis is the same. When you write for kernel you make sure to no tip over anything, just like with a TSR in DOS.

Honestly colleges don't teach you much about practical kernel developments. Most people just learn them as side projects. This is the same for other fields as well, e.g., frontend developments.

Requiring degrees for doing anything is a big step backward. I'm working for Google and lots of my peers are from non-CS majors (Physics, EE, even literature), but they are all excellent engineers.