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Re:Amazon Web Services are down by muppetman on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:08AM (#2470005)
Yes! It's like those dumb people that rent out 5 floors of a 100 story building, instead of building their own SkyScraper. Then, horror of horrors, 2 of the 8 lifts breaks down for 12 hours.

Such idiots for paying rent, even though building SkyScrapers isn't their core business.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by jedberg on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:20AM (#2470044)
Thank you. I'm totally stealing this next time someone uses that "cloud is for idiots" line.

This is an excellent metaphor.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by hendi_ on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:20AM (#2470048)
Poor analogy; if the lifts break, just use the stairs.

Note that I've written "relying", as in "depending on the cloud without any alternative backup". Depending on the cloud means depending on something you cannot influence.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by muppetman on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:30AM (#2470068)
Ok, it's a bomb scare and the building's shutdown for 12 hours.

How I was supposed to get ' "relying", as in "depending on the cloud without any alternative backup" ' from what your originally wrote, I don't know.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by hendi_ on Thursday April 21, 2011 @06:44AM (#2470101)
I'm sorry if you didn't understand "relying" as I meant it. I'm not a native speaker, so my assumption of the meaning of "relying" may have been wrong.

I'll try to elaborate: yes, there are of course certain things that you cannot avoid. That's why I meant you should not "rely"/"depend on the cloud without any alternative backup" on the cloud being available. Redundancy, if your service is crucial!

If you're a small company, and cannot go to your building for a day, well then I hope you're not that important so no big damage (financial or otherwise) is caused. Just enjoy your free day ;-) But if there's a bomb threat in, for example, a hospital, I surely hope they have some kind of backup plan!

Cloud as an alternative mechanism, or maybe even the primary resource for your site -- great, why not! But please don't just throw everything into "the cloud" trusting on the belief that the cloud's operator is impossible to fail.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by muppetman on Thursday April 21, 2011 @07:09AM (#2470160)
You said 6 words in your original post. And now you're trying to suggest I was to get the above 166 words from the original 6?

You raise perfectly valid and interesting points. It's just a shame they're not the parent comment because then they would have invoked some thoughtful discussion.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by 182446 on Thursday April 21, 2011 @07:33AM (#2470214)
It's a shame your sarcastic reply derailed the conversation.
Re:Amazon Web Services are down by muppetman on Thursday April 21, 2011 @07:51AM (#2470261)
Fair call.
Re:Amazon Web Services are down by Duff on Thursday April 21, 2011 @08:09AM (#2470315)
The building analogy works. If you're in a highrise, no elevator service is going to impact your business.

The back analogy works too. If you're an oil company, Goldman Sachs, AT&T or something similar, you have the bucks to pay someone for an empty emergency office complex for critical staff.

If you're anyone else, you're screwed when the elevators break/street floods/bridge falls down. That doesn't mean that buying a building or building a dam is a viable business continuity strategy.

Re:Amazon Web Services are down by tedjdziuba on Thursday April 21, 2011 @10:19AM (#2470684)
No, presumably if you're in a highrise, you are not running a retail business and your employees can work from home. It's an impact, but not a material one.

A better analogy would be setting up a retail shop on a busy street where every now and then, the police completely close off the street, and when you ask them why they've done it, they tell you that it's none of your concern.

Yet, people still continue to open shops on this street, that is, until the customers start going somewhere else.