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Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by rayiner on Sunday October 04, 2020 @04:29PM (#24682035)
Now you're talking in circles. @seattle_spring's theory is that people in the "boondocks" keep voting against infrastructure projects, even though "cities majorly subsidize rural living through taxes." Now you're saying that "most areas need federal funds to keep up with these expenses."

Is California rich enough to pay for its infrastructure projects by itself, or does it need money from other states to do it? If @seattle_spring is right and California doesn't need the money, then the Senate isn't holding anything up. California can proceed unilaterally. Maybe they can even vote for Republicans at the federal level, who won't make them continue to "subsidize rural living" in other states.

But if you're correct that California "need[s] federal funds to keep up with these expenses" then why shouldn't the rural states oppose it when it won't benefit them?

The reality is two-fold.

1) People in dense urban states aren't actually willing to spend this money, they just want to use these issues to get votes for Democrats. That's why they never actually build these things when they have to do it with their own money only.

2) Dense urban states want access to the Federal government's money printing machine. States cannot run structural deficits. But the rural urban states will be on the hook for that debt too.

Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by daniellarusso on Sunday October 04, 2020 @07:15PM (#24683016)
I was not talking about California, though.
Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by rayiner on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:05AM (#24684462)
Or New York or Illinois or whatever. The point is that you can’t have it both ways. If dense urban states have the money to pay for their own transit, they should vote Republican at the federal level so they can stop subsidizing Wyoming, and use those tax dollars to build whatever they want. But if they actually need federal funds to build transit, then Wyoming should be able to veto building transit in New York.

Blue states have all of the money. There is no reason for them to complain so much about the Senate. If they want a vast socialist welfare state with state of the art transit, they should be able to pay for it themselves.

Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by JoeAltmaier on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:37PM (#24692318)
'Vast' is a matter of scale. What seemed large when we were a manual-labor country of 100M people, and what seems large now that we're an automated-production county of 450M, are quite different.

Michael Dell wrote in his memoir, that each time Dell Computer doubled in size, he had to completely redefine their processes. Well, the USA has grown a lot. Trying to fit 50-100 year old processes into the modern economy is bound to fail, for lack of scale and imagination.

A public transit system is honestly cheap at the price. Kind of a enlightened-self-interest thing. It lowers the cost of working, lets people make more choices about where to live, and generally makes markets more efficient.

Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by seattle_spring on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:28PM (#24692252)
> they should vote Republican at the federal level so they can stop subsidizing Wyoming

Republicans being for states rights hasn't been true for my entire lifetime (30+ years).

Re:Why American cities can’t keep up with infrastructure mai... by rayiner on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:58AM (#24694832)
We just had a huge battle where Republicans opposed Medicaid expansion in states. (Which would involve more blue state federal tax dollars going to red states.)

There are a couple of areas where Republicans support federal preemption, such as telecommunications (which falls squarely under even a narrow definition of the commerce clause, as “channels of interstate commerce”). But for the most part they fight federal encroachment in environmental laws (regulating infra-state bodies of water), health spending, etc.

When have Republicans had the federal government intervene to stop a domestic transit or health program that wasn’t reliant on federal dollars?