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Re:Hacker releases PII on Las Vegas-area students after offi... by vmception on Saturday October 03, 2020 @02:19PM (#24673750)
Transactions doesnt mean “transfers”, it means “database operations”, one type of which is a transfer. Other types of which can include a transfer. So these systems are facilitating many more transfers within their transaction limit.

Just a nuance.

Mining does reduce pollution for oil companies. Its low infrastructure demands and longer than you expect shelf life does utilize power that was being unused or wasted. This is the crux of your argument and it is not accurate. You got here because you decided you dont like how that power is now being used after misunderstanding that it wasn't being used, and I dont care.

Re:Hacker releases PII on Las Vegas-area students after offi... by arcticbull on Saturday October 03, 2020 @04:43PM (#24674537)
> Mining does reduce pollution for oil companies.

It is 100% additive. It doesn't reduce pollution for oil companies, at all, in any way. Certainly not when you take into account all the oil consumed to build and deliver all the mining hardware that's turned over to the tune of 12.31kT per year.

Fine say you're right. Show me a single study, a single article, a single write-up from a reputable source that shows bitcoin reduces pollution for oil companies.

> Its low infrastructure demands...

12.3kT of waste per year means a lot of infrastructure relative to what it provides which is basically nothing.

> ...and longer than you expect shelf life

Shelf life?

> ...does utilize power that was being unused or wasted.

No. If that power wasn't being squandered on a multiplayer excel game, it would be used for productive things. The same power cannot be used twice.

> This is the crux of your argument and it is not accurate. You got here because you decided you dont like how that power is now being used after misunderstanding that it wasn't being used, and I dont care.

It is massively, overwhelmingly less efficient than traditional banking and the generated waste and wasted power is purely incremental. If that entire transaction volume moved to traditional rails, the incremental power required to support it would probably be ~one guy on a stationary bike's worth.

VisaNet alone can handle 65,000 transactions per second. 7 is 0.01% of that.

For perspective, bitcoin would require, if scaled linearly, 123 Megatons of e-waste (triple the entire world today put together). It would require 700,000TWh or 23X the entire world's output of electricity. It would also emit 333,000 megatons of CO2. More than 10X the entire world's current output. Just to replace VisaNet. Of course it's physically incapable since even wasting that quantity of resources, the total transaction count would still be 7.

There's no world in which you can rationalize away that it's drastically, overwhelmingly, mind-blowingly less efficient.

Re:Hacker releases PII on Las Vegas-area students after offi... by vmception on Sunday October 04, 2020 @08:42AM (#24678586)
Reputable enough article? There are alot of miners doing the same thing and most don’t talk about it for good reason. This allows your view of the world to continue unimpeded

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-06/why-bitco...

In case you can’t access bloomberg here it is over amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti...

One of your other points that I choose to respond to: The energy use doesn’t scale linearly to transaction activity and is not a prerequisite to the function of a proof of work network

I think there is enough information here to alter your lecture so I’ll wait and see. The rebuttal that I predict will be based on the size is the mining operation in the article, so just assume there are bigger ones doing the same thing.

Re:Hacker releases PII on Las Vegas-area students after offi... by arcticbull on Sunday October 04, 2020 @09:09PM (#24683653)
The solution is to stop gas flaring -- that carbon is still getting emitted into the atmosphere, that solves nothing. If it gets turned into power it could be used for something productive, at least.

> The energy use doesn’t scale linearly to transaction activity and is not a prerequisite to the function of a proof of work network

That's just a nice way of saying the bitcoin network cannot scale, intentionally so. Scaling is antithetical to proof-of-waste. At some point you run out of resources to waste.

Re:Hacker releases PII on Las Vegas-area students after offi... by vmception on Monday October 05, 2020 @03:49AM (#24685503)
Can you elaborate on the carbon hitting the atmosphere part?

It is being converted to power for the onsite computers instead of being flared away. How is that not better than the immediate flaring