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Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:41AM (#24639937)
> Since you consider everything to be political, then everything is politics and there is no discussion without it. It's a tautological inevitability.

but that's kind of the point. Pretty much any human discussion (or interaction for that matter) _can_ be viewed through a political lens by someone.

Thus by declaring to forbid political discussion, you are just declaring a blanket right to ban any discussions that inconvenience you by judging them political.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by manigandham on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:50AM (#24640034)
No, we don't constantly live with theoretical extremes in our day to day life and can operate without political discussion, like our company and many others do.

And yes, corporations can set the rules of the workplace they maintain. It is not about "inconvenience" but to avoid chaos and improve productivity. You are free to do as you wish outside of the workplace, including choosing a company that lets you say whatever you want. I applaud and encourage this freedom on both sides.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:20PM (#24640410)
Corporations may be people to you but their rules are written by actual humans, using their existing political biases. And it usually the people at the top choosing them

You might think that a discussion you are having is not political because for you it's "common sense", "obvious" and "surely everyone reasonable agree" but that's not forcibly the case.

If an employee says a thing you don't agree with, for you it is a political statement and you shut it as such.

If you make a political statement an employee don't agree with they shut up and don't contradict you because they don't want to lose their job.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by manigandham on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:55PM (#24640857)
> "Corporations may be people to you"

I never said this. What does this have to do with anything?

> "If an employee says a thing you don't agree with, for you it is a political statement and you shut it as such."

No. Disagreement on something doesn't not mean that it's political. Most reasonable people can easily figure out the difference: Talking about weather or our tech stack is not political. Talking about immigration policy is. So we discuss the former without the latter, just like millions of other people in many companies. It's not difficult.

> "If you make a political statement"

I don't. That's what no political discussion means and it applies to everyone. Why do you assume people can't follow their own rules?

Overall, if you don't like the rules of the workplace then leave. That's the whole point of this policy and exit package. You're not entitled to stay and discuss whatever you want, and thinking that you can is a very privileged expectation.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:46PM (#24641421)
> I never said this. What does this have to do with anything?

You said "Corporations can set rules" and I wanted to punctuate the point that theses rules don't come from the nether.

> I don't. That's what no political discussion means and it applies to everyone. Why do you assume people can't follow their own rules?

I meant no insult to your character. The point is you think everyone agree with your list on what is political is political or not and I don't.

To give examples:

You might say "I arrived late again, I wish they would build a new highway" and I'm thinking it's political because really they should build more subway

I might say "I have a cat it's nice, I recommend it to everyone" and you might think it's political because you think cats are decimating the bird wild life and should be banned"

> Talking about weather

Not the example I would have used in your place with climate change...

> or our tech stack

Open source/ closed source is a political debate for example. But they are also some who dismiss technologies based on their country of origin.

So again you might think you follow the rule because for you it's not a political statement but for me it might be and inversely.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by manigandham on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @02:10PM (#24641707)
None of those examples are political in so far as to be a problem. Reasonable people understand this. Maybe that's the major issue: the boundary of reasonable is being pushed to the extremes by those who are unwilling to accept anything else.
Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @02:23PM (#24641867)
so it's only really political and forbidden when it's a problem for you
Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by manigandham on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:51PM (#24646790)
Again, why do you keep making this personal? It doesn't matter if it's a problem for me or not, if it's not relevant to the business then you don't discuss it. If a topic seems risky then you don't discuss it. This is fine for the vast majority of people and companies; because they're reasonable people working in inclusive and neutral companies.

Those who can't be reasonable and insist on irrelevant politics in the workplace should should leave. That's quite literally what this policy and exit package is for. I don't see the problem. In fact those creating such a problem with it are precisely those who the policy is referring to and they should find another employer more suited for them.

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by username90 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:46AM (#24639988)
Apolitical workplaces works just fine in practice, you are just fearmongering.
Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:01PM (#24640179)
I didn't intend to instill fear, sorry that there is a comprehensions.

I don't believe that apolitical workplaces actually exist. That you can view workplaces as apolitical is either ignorance or privilege

Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by username90 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:09PM (#24640272)
If people aren't proselyting their views on how the country should be run then it is apolitical. This is the norm. You must be very damaged if you think this is impossible.
Re:Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortabl... by staz on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:54PM (#24641517)
I will not do a repeat of the discussion on how supporting the status quo is in itself a political statement.

But you must be very naive if you think how a company is run has no effect on how a country is run.

Fifty year ago in the US whether your company had segregated bathroom or not was a proselyting of their views on how the country should be run.

Now it whether trans should be allowed to use the bathroom they want.

Why? Because they are political decision taken from the people working there.