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Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by SteveGerencser on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:06AM (#24627962)
But, do people actually know that when they purchase? If it were clearly stated anywhere on the box/sales copy that "you will see ads on this device" while the other one says "we won't shove ads on your device" I would wager the $10 more would be a bargain to nearly everyone.

But that information is never available at the point of purchase so most people get the surprise of see ads when they had no idea that was even a thing.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by ascagnel_ on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:13AM (#24628055)
I’d have less of a problem with this if they went about it the way Amazon sells ads on their Kindle e-readers:

- You can buy the device for $X, and it’s marked as being sold “with special offers” (a euphemism for ads that would be more explicit in an ideal world)

- You can buy the device for $X + $Y, and it’s marked as being sold “without special offers”

- You can buy the device for $X “with special offers” today, but you can spend $Y once you have the device to “disable special offers”

This case is pretty terrible because Samsung isn’t giving buyers the ability to pay them the $10 directly to disable ads while not being up-front about whether or not ads will be served.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by delecti on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:24AM (#24628932)
The "Special Offers" also have the advantage of being super unobtrusive, especially when the device is actually in use. That's not really the case here.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by criddell on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:21AM (#24628879)
Turning off the ads should also turn off the surveillance.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by joombaga on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:33AM (#24629069)
One more option that was at least available on older Kindles

- You can buy the device for $X “with special offers” today, then hack it and remove the "special offers".

I don't know how prevalent this is, but wonder if it's a consideration in deciding on the "money to disable ads" strategy.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by LordDragonfang on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @03:37PM (#24631994)
While it may not appear that way in the HN crowd, the number of users who actually jailbreak their devices is effectively zero when you're determining revenue models. Especially nowadays, when most of the features people care about have been implemented.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:15PM (#24633091)
That depends on how easy it is to do the jailbreak. If you can package a self-contained solution, or provide simple to follow instructions, the word will spread, and a lot of people will be doing it.

When I was buying my Paperwhite, I just ordered the ad-free version from amazon (.com or .co.uk, don't remember which). And then a couple co-workers (agreed, computer people, but very much not the type that's into tinkering or cracking software) looked at me with surprise, because it turns out everyone does the "standard" route - order "special offers" from amazon.de, and save money while getting an ad-free Kindle, because AFAIR initially the special offers didn't even display in Poland, and when they did, apparently everyone knew how to jump some hoops to get rid of them.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by ketralnis on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:24PM (#24641193)
In the Kindle case I did pay the extra for the advertising-free version and they happily advertise on it anyway, including push notifications in the middle of the night that make noise. Infuriating.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Can_Not on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:17PM (#24634561)
This is true, I expect to be shafted unwillingly and the manufacturers will face no accountability or be required to show any transparency for a long time. Consumers need information symmetry guarantees.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by 72deluxe on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:19PM (#24634195)
Do Amazon tablets and phones still show adverts on the lock screen? They seemed to sell a lot of them despite this being a "feature" of them back when they first launched.