Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by creata on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:01AM
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Well no, the punishment should fit the crime. It's just that punishing a poor person by taking $1000 could kill them, and punishing a rich person by taking $1000 is barely even a punishment.
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Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by RhysU on Sunday September 27, 2020 @07:09AM
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Given progressive taxation, it already takes higher income persons more pre-tax income to come up with $1000 post-tax.
Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by ZephyrBlu on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:10AM
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The punishment is $1000. 2nd order consequences, while possibly serious, aren't part of the punishment.
Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by TeMPOraL on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:50AM
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These "2nd order consequences" are the whole point of punishment. Money is only means of delivering them.
Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by creata on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:21AM
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That's the same as tying the consequences a person faces for a crime to their wealth (given how predictable the severity of these "2nd order consequences" are!) and that is, to me, terribly unjust.
Re:Algorithm Helps New York Decide Who Goes Free Before Trial
by ZephyrBlu on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:52AM
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> That's the same as tying the consequences a person faces for a crime to their wealth (given how predictable the severity of these "2nd order consequences" are!)
I would actually say it's the opposite.
If you punish everyone with the same fine, their wealth is divorced from the punishment.
If you punish each person depending on their wealth, the punishment is directly proportional to their wealth.
In saying that, very poor people are definitely disproportionately affected by equal punishment. Though you could also say poor people would be more motivated to commit crimes if the punishment was proportional, since they stand to gain a lot more than a rich person.
I don't think there's a right answer.