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Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by adventured on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:25PM (#24602940)
> 80% of americans live in a urban area.

No they do not. Half of Americans live in the suburbs or equivalent, which are not urban environments and certainly nothing remotely compared to what qualifies as an urban environment in eg Europe. Having a Target, Costco, Home Depot, Whole Foods and Starbucks doesn't qualify a region as urban. 70%-75% of Americans don't live in urban environments:

"America Really Is a Nation of Suburbs"

"According to the newly released 2017 American Housing Survey (of nearly 76,000 households nationwide), about 52 percent of people in the United States describe their neighborhood as suburban, while about 27 percent describe their neighborhood as urban, and 21 percent as rural."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-14/u-s-is-ma...

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by maxerickson on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:53PM (#24603086)
Towns and suburbs are generally classed as urban. Maybe low density urban, but urban nonetheless.

It probably makes sense. Having yards and trees and driving 2 miles to Target is more similar to not having trees and driving 2 miles to Target than it is similar to driving 200 miles to Target.

Have sidewalks? Probably urban.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by mjevans on Saturday September 26, 2020 @10:26PM (#24603725)
A better dividing line is:

Given the choice, how would someone living there most often visit a grocery store?

In an urban area walking might be the common mode.

In a suburban area driving is OFTEN going to be the preferred mode, and even in small cities (particularly ones still small enough to have free parking at a nearby grocery store) driving there is still going to be preferred; at least in the US. In my experience Bellevue WA is a small, still suburban like city, while Seattle has crossed the anti-car (and expensive real-estate) line to 'big city'; but is neither old enough (pre-industrial grocery store layouts) nor big enough to be a healthy big urban city.

Offhand, I would define rural as any area where a drive to the third closest typical grocery store is at least a one hour round trip (by car, at legal speeds, including delays at any traffic device or from commute volume).

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by maxerickson on Saturday September 26, 2020 @10:53PM (#24603843)
I wasn't trying to invent a dividing line, more trying to highlight how usage/understanding can vary. Here's some discussion from government statisticians:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/rur...

Large swaths of the US are what that page calls 'micropolitan', centered around small urban clusters, which are the areas I think cause the most confusion, built up areas that are treated as urban in statistics and conversely thought about as rural by lay audiences.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by ericd on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:21PM (#24608275)
Eh? In what most of the world would call a city, you don’t have to drive 2 miles to get to a store. You don’t even have to own a car.

There’s a reason that suburban is distinct from urban.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by maxerickson on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:22PM (#24608896)
Urban doesn't mean 'metropolitan city', it means 'built up area'.