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Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by Waterluvian on Saturday September 26, 2020 @06:20PM (#24602629)
I want to see three car seats in a hatchback.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by akadruid1 on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:28PM (#24602955)
I have 4 kids so we had 3 car seats for a while. We're in the UK and we have a Vauxhall (Opel) Zafira which is a 7 seat minivan, very small by US standards, built on the chassis of the Astra small hatchback. I believe we have used this car to do everything we might do with an SUV, including taking our 6 person family on extended camping trips (with a small trailer) and across Europe as far as Lyon, Geneva and Luxembourg (with a roof box).
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by valuearb on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:51PM (#24603080)
Sounds nice.

But living standards are higher in the US, and our trips are longer. To drive my family across Texas is nearly as far as driving across France and Germany, and I have three other states to cross.

If I can afford to pay more to get a bigger, faster, safer vehicle for the trip, it’s my money.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by woah on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:17PM (#24603207)
Us Americans use our vehicles to pick up a Hot Wheels jungle gym at Toys R Us, then we spend 3 hours on the freeway driving to another state to pick up some In N Out. We keep 8 large dogs in the back 4 rows, and have to hit Wal Mart to pick up a pallet of toilet paper to clean up. You can't understand our lifestyle requirements.

EDIT: Yesterday I had to run to the store to pick up a vat of queso. I'd like to see you Europeans do that in your Mr. Bean cars.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by dabeeeenster on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:13PM (#24603186)
Living standards in the US are higher than the UK? What?
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by BeeOnRope on Saturday September 26, 2020 @10:16PM (#24603676)
Yes?

I doubt there is any conventional metric for "standard of living" (which basically means per capita wealth/income) where the UK would be higher than the US, at almost any point on the income scale (even adjusted for the imputed value of the more extensive public health system in the UK).

That doesn't mean the UK is "worse" than the US, or that it has a lower quality of life, just that it has (and has had) a lower standard of living for decades. Few countries car match the standard of living of the US.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by samoa42 on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:08AM (#24604831)
while agreeing to your point about living standards, i would add that there are almost no countries matching US military spending, foreign debt levels or energy consumption per capita
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by valuearb on Sunday September 27, 2020 @10:59AM (#24607106)
Well given the fact that Western Europe barely has a military outside of all the US troops there, it’s a lot easier to keep those debt levels low.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by rsynnott on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:47PM (#24603330)
I suspect one factor here is that the US has, for practical purposes, no passenger intercity rail network, and has a somewhat less developed budget airline market.

That said, I find it notable that the average price of new cars in the US has typically been rising faster than income over the last decade or so. This would indicate, bluntly, effective advertising, rather than resources, being a big driver of the huge car thing. Average new car price in the US is creeping up on average annual income. This isn’t just an American problem, incidentally; it’s happening in a good few countries.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by bradlys on Saturday September 26, 2020 @09:34PM (#24603504)
Longer term loans are also more common now. 5 years was typical but now 7 years is becoming even more common.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by beezle on Sunday September 27, 2020 @12:36AM (#24604256)
Safety features have added a lot to prices.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by rsynnott on Sunday September 27, 2020 @01:00AM (#24604344)
Not sure that’s right. Base prices don’t really seem to have risen; people are just buying higher end cars.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by beezle on Sunday September 27, 2020 @12:45PM (#24607963)
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by pwinnski on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:24PM (#24602935)
Now you're talking about three kids within a very short window of time, which is even less common.

But... my own youngest and oldest are almost exactly three years apart, so I can tell you that even a Toyota Camry was incapable of handling three American-standard carseats side-by-side.

However, in countries with lower speed limits, less bulky carseats are required to keep kids safe even in the unusual case of three closely-spaced kids.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by brianwawok on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:50PM (#24603076)
Very short window? What is your car seat age range there? Current trend in the US is car seats till age 8 give or take. 3 kids within 8 years is very expected if you are having 3 or more.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by pwinnski on Sunday September 27, 2020 @03:00PM (#24609239)
Booster seats are often required for kids up to age 8 or so, often only if they are shorter than 4' 9". But booster seats easily fit in small cars.

The age limit recommendation are a rear-facing seat until 2, then a front-facing seat until they reach something like 65 pounds, then a booster seat.

From experience, three car seats cannot fit side-by-side in really any car, whether front-facing or rear-facing. But booster seats are fine, even in my tiny Fiat 500e. Back in the day, I leased a minivan for a while and then the kids started to outgrow bulky carseats.

Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:49PM (#24603339)
The range in which all three are in car seats is still very small. Even with one child a year, the quickest "regular" speed, you would have a five year period with three child seats of the fifteen years that all three would be underage.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by valuearb on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:46PM (#24603052)
A Toyota Camry isn’t a small car.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by callalex on Saturday September 26, 2020 @09:58PM (#24603601)
That’s why they said “even a Camery”
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by howlgarnish on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:26PM (#24602946)
It's a bit "squishy", to use my youngest's word, but you can easily put three car seats in one. Helps if at least one of them is only a booster though.
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by bryanlarsen on Saturday September 26, 2020 @09:00PM (#24603375)
Re:Tesla’s Nemesis in China Is a Tiny $5k Electric Car from GM by teclordphrack2 on Saturday September 26, 2020 @09:52PM (#24603573)
A kia rio can so I don't see your issue.