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Re:Denial of Science by ChuckMcM on Monday April 18, 2011 @02:21PM (#2460062)
"Given the power of our prior beliefs to skew how we respond to new information, one thing is becoming clear: If you want someone to accept new evidence, make sure to present it to them in a context that doesn't trigger a defensive, emotional reaction."

This was a fascinating read. I've snipped out what I consider the bonus quote above because I run into it so often. If someone is engaged in an issue emotionally then having a rational discussion with them becomes problematic at best.

Here on HN we've seen the nuclear power and currency discussions which both clearly have an emotional component.

I was a bit annoyed that the article focused a bit much on the climate discussion, clearly it is the one the author has the most emotion invested in :-) I think my views on it are pretty well known so I won't bother going into that.

But that brings us to the subtext, which is that emotions interfere with reasoning. You react emotionally before you react rationally (purportedly because it made evolutionary sense to do so). On the show 'Big Bang Theory' the character Sheldon Cooper is a stereotype of a brilliant, OCD, Asberger's Syndrome scientist. That stereotype works because it seems fairly common that technologists, as a population, have a higher incidence of folks who have a difficulty emotionally interacting with other humans. It makes me wonder if this could be the mechanism by which breakthrough science and/or technology gets done.

Re:Denial of Science by yummyfajitas on Monday April 18, 2011 @03:05PM (#2460209)
If someone is engaged in an issue emotionally then having a rational discussion with them becomes problematic at best.

What I find most ironic about the article is that they seem to go out of their way to induce many of their readers to react emotionally to the article.

The first few paragraphs compare climate skeptics and the Seeker cult. Most of the examples given are misconceptions held only by people on the political right. Places where the political left is simply wrong (no, I won't derail the conversation by mentioning them explicitly) are ignored, except for one minor example included to feign objectivity.

Did the author really think his article wouldn't lead most readers to react emotionally (the comments suggest they did)? Was he completely unable to think of neutral examples besides vaccines->autism?

This article seems perpetually relevant: http://lesswrong.com/lw/gw/politics_is_the_mindkiller/

Re:Denial of Science by thaumaturgy on Monday April 18, 2011 @03:39PM (#2460325)
> What I find most ironic about the article is that they seem to go out of their way to induce many of their readers to react emotionally to the article.

I think "out of their way" is a stretch, but, of course it did. It had to present the topic in a way that would be compelling to readers. If you think anthropogenic global warming is bunkem, then the use of terms like "denier" is going to be a trigger for you. If you think that vaccines cause autism, then you'll find similar terminology, and have a similar trigger.

Regardless of the issue or which side of the issue that you're on, if you had an emotional reaction to the article, then that mostly just proved it right on the actual subject that it was talking about: that people react emotionally, not logically, when their convictions are confronted.

Re:Denial of Science by yummyfajitas on Monday April 18, 2011 @04:19PM (#2460463)
It had to present the topic in a way that would be compelling to readers.

Lets consider two possibilities.

a) The author wishes to induce an emotional reaction in his readers to demonstrate this effect. In that case, he should attack taboos on both sides of the political aisle, in an effort to maximize the number of readers having an emotional reaction.

b) The author wishes to intellectually discuss some psychological findings. In that case, he could simply focus on a few small obscure groups with irrational beliefs (e.g., 9/11 truthers, UFO abductees) in order to minimize the number of readers who react emotionally.

I can't figure out what purpose he is serving by exposing only half his readers to the negative emotional reaction, while exposing the other half to the positive emotional reaction that comes from criticizing their political opponents and affirming their already held beliefs. (Unless of course the latter reaction is what he is going for.)

Re:Denial of Science by ChuckMcM on Monday April 18, 2011 @05:35PM (#2460805)
However in case b, wouldn't it allow folks to rationalize themselves as 'not as weird' as perhaps some extreme groups you mention? And then not think about applications of these findings to themselves?

It seems the point of the article was that this issue is a spectrum issue and can trip up folks who may otherwise believe themselves to be approaching something scientifically but in fact have been pre-biased by their emotions on the issue. At least for me (and I do consider myself open minded) it was useful to think about the mechanism behind the 'irrational' response, which certainly could help me in influencing change in organizations where such change would be emotionally difficult.

"I can't figure out what purpose he is serving by exposing only half his readers to the negative emotional reaction, while exposing the other half to the positive emotional reaction that comes from criticizing their political opponents and affirming their already held beliefs. (Unless of course the latter reaction is what he is going for.)"

Perhaps he was going for people to step back and say "Hmm, I'm responding emotionally, let me compare that emotion to whether or not I think his point valid, and how my emotions influenced that thinking." Sort of a step outside your own complexes kind of thing.

Re:Denial of Science by thaumaturgy on Monday April 18, 2011 @07:42PM (#2461179)
Did you notice the vocabulary you're using? Especially, "attack", and "sides".

Your criticism here sounds like you feel that he didn't "attack ... both sides" fairly enough, so either he should have picked more examples that you already agree with, or consider irrational.

There are some who would say that the 9/11 "truthers" are no more irrational than anthropogenic global warming "skeptics", so why pick one versus the other?

...That said, I agree that 9/11 conspiracy theorists would have been a good example to include, mostly because of the strength of their convictions relative to the really thin evidence available.

Re:Denial of Science by jokermatt999 on Tuesday April 19, 2011 @09:12AM (#2462497)
If anyone is qualified to speak about politics and science denial, it would be Chris Mooney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Republican_War_on_Science

Yes, he has examined science denial on the left as well.

As for his examples, he regularly writes on climate change denial, and it's also the most prominent example of what he's talking about.

Edit: corrected obvious typo