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Re:US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for th... by verst on Saturday September 26, 2020 @05:42AM (#24597550)
Expanding on (1): It is important to explain to HN readers the reality of CCP membership.

You can consider it the equivalent of national honor society in high school in the US and various honor societies in college, but with membership dues you must pay. Membership is symbolic and people must attend mandatory propaganda classes which they don't take seriously. Why would they do this? Because this is the way to get into many leadership roles in government.

So CCP membership is driven by capitalist motives.

I personally am friends with quite a few CCP members. I assure you they are critical of the government and have no insight into what the leadership is doing.

CCP membership in itself means little. Really depends on how high up an individual is within the party.

Re:US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for th... by yorwba on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:07AM (#24598177)
This squares with my experience as an exchange student in China. Once I went on a hiking trip organized by the Communist Youth League (as a non-member, obviously) and when I told some friends about it, they were surprised because their only interaction with the CYL was paying 2 cents a month in membership dues. They didn't even know there was supposed to be anything more to it... (The reason they gave for being members in the first place was that all students with good grades were encouraged to join.)
Re:US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for th... by whoevercares on Saturday September 26, 2020 @08:24AM (#24598279)
That’s the truth, I don’t know why you are downvoted. Point is at the moment it’s infeasible to use the CCP membership to infer if a person or organization works for CCP. It’s a deadly dangerous door to open because the next step is to inspect the direct family affiliation to CCP. Given the proliferation of CCP members, it’ll be affecting over half billion people and effectively you are telling most Chineses in America that they are suspects. It’s not too different from terminating the diplomatic relationship and worse, effectively you are saying Chinese people ~= CCP by the connection to members
Re:US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for th... by verst on Saturday September 26, 2020 @12:50PM (#24600209)
In the US people either under estimate the size of the CCP or act as though it is an egalitarian group of people where everyone has access to all information and is briefed on strategy. The CCP doesn't vote on its strategy among all of its members.

Most things that we see as controversial or dangerous when it comes to the CCP aren't even apparent to most CCP members.

Joining the CCP isn't generally a decision to turn a blind eye for personal gain. It is difficult to comprehend just how much China controls the flow of information to its citizens (and the ordinary CCP members).

We must distinguish between CCP leadership and the ordinary members. The average CCP member is no evil person and is unaware of any evil acts being committed.

Now you might wonder why people don't investigate rumors they hear from Western media (even if the sources are banned): - Western media tends to attack Chinese culture and pride, attack ordinary Chinese - The Chinese government refuted the news and any contradicting sources are blocked. - Approval of how the country is run is generally high. Han Chinese and other groups are doing as well as never before. (And they truly don't know that there are people who are not being treated well.)

Re:US government accuses TikTok of being a mouthpiece for th... by xmprt on Saturday September 26, 2020 @05:58AM (#24597610)
Thanks for the clarification. It seems like a lot of the boom in Chinese industries is because of them adopting capitalistic policies (although maybe not publicly).