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Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by edent on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:35AM (#24577193)
I agree. But there is a "creepy" factor that a social network knows what you click on. I suspect lots of people are unaware of that.

Would you want a librarian chastising you for the books you check out? Would that make people more or less likely to use the library?

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by thwarted on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:42AM (#24577234)
The librarian analogy is a little stretched, but I do expect librarians to properly put fiction books in the fiction section and nonfiction books in the nonfiction section.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by sshine on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:48AM (#24577260)
Yes, in order to stretch the surveillance analogy properly, the library itself is a living organism and you're inside of its digestive system, and it has eyes on the inside, and you're upset that it's watching you while digesting you.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by sokoloff on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:14AM (#24577422)
In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by marcus_holmes on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:32AM (#24578428)
Again we come back to the question "who gets to decide what is true?" - still the single most important political question of our age (imho).
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by pjc50 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:11AM (#24577809)
Dewey Decimal category 220 "Religion".
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by quesera on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:05AM (#24578210)
If my elementary school training was correct, that makes the Bible "non-fiction".

"Non-fiction has numbers", we were told.

I'm not sure Dewey attempts to separate fact from fiction -- just to categorize the author's intent (or assertion).

In addition to the Christian Bible, the "non-fiction" section also contains religious texts that refute it. And New Age crystal vibration harmonic ecstasy stuff. And Dianetics.

The wide disagreement on "fiction" vs "non-fiction" is probably not a solvable problem. See also: a world map, at any time in recorded history.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:16AM (#24578308)
As an atheist, putting the Bible in non-fiction makes sense to me because it's a true statement about the beliefs of a certain people. Whatever your religion, few people would consider reading the Bible to be "story time" in the same sense as Harry Potter, A Tale of Two Cities, or even something like The Odyssey. You're either studying the Bible to learn about God, or you're studying it to learn about other people.

That's not to say the line isn't murky, but that's true of any human classification system.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by WillDaSilva on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:27AM (#24578388)
> no one reading the Bible is settling down for story time

Speak for yourself. Several atheists including myself read some of the Bible for our book club. In particular the wisdom literature has value as a fiction removed from the religious context. Beyond that, the Bible is the earliest work we have which exhibits several tropes, and western art has been heavily influenced by it.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by MikeTheGreat on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:18AM (#24578329)
Interestingly, the Dewey Decimal system is used to organize nonfiction books.

Fictional works are organized alphabetically by the author's last name

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by nobody9999 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:26AM (#24578383)
>In which of those sections do they put the Bible? There’s also plenty of content on social media that isn’t cleanly fiction or non-fiction.

It's pretty clear that the anthology/compendium often termed "The Bible" is mostly myth and retellings of oral histories that date back many millenia, with some of those incorporating historical events (think docudrama[0]).

As such, I'd posit that in a vacuum, such works should be placed in the "Historical Fiction" section.

However, since there are quite a few of these works (the Hindu Vedas, the Tripitaka, the Quran, etc.), it seems that the current classification (Religion) is reasonable.

That said, not specifically calling it "fiction" doesn't make it non-fiction.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docudrama

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by dutch3000 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:42AM (#24577603)
librarians are in no way like SM corporations. SM corporations are like digital drug dealers, doing anything possible to increase the eyeball time on the app. they achieve this by any means necessary. even at the cost of further radicalizing the thoughts/opinions of the masses. everything being discussed here threatens their very existence and they know it.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:41AM (#24577222)
> Would you want a librarian chastising you for the books you check out?

If what I checked out was fake? Yeah, personally I would like to be told.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by nradov on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:44AM (#24578057)
Your local library contains many non-fiction books that are filled with inaccurate statements. Librarians are happy to help you with fact checking research but it wouldn't be appropriate for them to label some books as fake. Make up your own mind.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:06AM (#24578219)
I'm imagining a situation where a book was discovered to be an unequivocal lie, in its entirety. Something like the autobiography of Howard Hughes [1], where Hughes eventually said that he had no involvement, and did not know the writer. (This isn't actually the best example, because the book was pulled right before publication, but it's easy to imagine a scenario where it did get published. It came close.)

1: http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/50-oh-howard-you-idio...

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by marcus_holmes on Thursday September 24, 2020 @09:37AM (#24578477)
"This is a book full of things that I believe to be true. It therefore belongs in non-fiction" - random nutjob with a blog

In real libraries, they only stocked published books, and publishers decided what to publish. So the publishers acted as gatekeepers and fact-checkers (sometimes not so well, as the Howard Hughes example shows), and the library could accept their classification.

Now, anyone can write a book and add it to our hypothetical library. If the librarians aren't going to classify the books, then who does? Because someone has got to...

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by alkonaut on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:18AM (#24577449)
> Would you want a librarian chastising you for the books you check out

No I wouldn't want anyone chastising me, nor any contact with a human (that can be awkward). But I'd be happy to get an email saying "Please be aware that the book X from the science section that you borrowed earlier has been found to contain inaccurate information and has been moved to our controversial science/science fiction section".

Retractoins occur all the time in newspapera but they build on the model that people actually read the newspaper. It doesn't work when people read one article from a social media link. Fact checking and retractions should be updated to work in the age of facebook 1) Respectable media would publish retractions to facebook, saying "Please notify anyone who followed the link to reuters.com/article/123 that the article has been corrected". 2) Fact checks would do the same thing (because this is most important with less respectable media).

For this to happen obviously facebook would want to agree to annoy a fraction of their users who don't want to find their favorite links unavailable, littered with warnigs, or followed by messages that they are eating an unhealthy news diet. Hopefully they realize that this is a goal worth pursuing.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Nowado on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:36AM (#24577563)
This is something I would like my university to do. Yearly mail of 'Here are updates to course X you took, based on changes in our knowledge'.

We really don't have the best relationship with admitting change in our beliefs. Or with keeping records.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by nradov on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:53AM (#24578111)
Several prominent universities now offer free open courseware. You can just go watch the lectures.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Nowado on Friday September 25, 2020 @10:30AM (#24590159)
The difference is reading only differences (which are usually minor and few hours/year from all courses all together) and redoing whole degree every year in one year.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by retox on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:41PM (#24585325)
You'd be receiving a lot of emails then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life_of_knowledge
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by acdha on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:43AM (#24578045)
Is this a librarian chastising you or, on your next visit, telling you that the reference book you’d checked out had been shown to be a work of fiction and recataloged under conspiracy theories? Libraries have plenty of books with inaccuracies and they haven’t contributed to the downfall of popular discourse.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by Barrin92 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @10:39PM (#24586058)
>Libraries have plenty of books with inaccuracies and they haven’t contributed to the downfall of popular discourse

because one has to actively seek out information in a library. Are you aware of any libraries that send out propaganda pamphlets to tens of millions of people? Because that actually has caused the downfall of societies

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:43AM (#24577238)
Chastising? No. But if there was a service available in which the librarian would tell me when a work I've borrowed has been criticized (or even thoroughly debunked) in some other publication, I'd definitely opt-in to that.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by chrononaut on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:38AM (#24577579)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the analogy here but I would expect the library to be fully aware of what books I have checked out. If I don't return a book, they would nag me about it. Why would that be strange or unusual for someone?
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by tzs on Thursday September 24, 2020 @01:24PM (#24581047)
To make the library analogy match how social media works, the book should be one you checked out because the library recommended it to you earlier based on books you had checked out earlier.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by toyg on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:55AM (#24577310)
It’s just a matter of careful wording. Instead of “you clicked on <bad source>” just say “the source linked was bad”.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by names_are_hard on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:15AM (#24577437)
Better: we're sorry, we showed you <bad stuff> in your feed. We've determined it's untrue and removed it.
Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by mschuster91 on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:03AM (#24577363)
> Would you want a librarian chastising you for the books you check out?

With cars that turn out to be defective, in Germany the authorities can issue mandatory recalls and notices to owners of cars of the recalled model.

If I borrowed a book at a library or read a scientific study that has been later proven to be wrong or outright misleading, yes I would like to be notified of that.

Re:Should social networks tell you if you’ve been following ... by sokoloff on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:15AM (#24577430)
In the library case, I’d prefer that they couldn’t notify me because they didn’t keep a list of what I’d checked out (once I'd returned it).