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Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by kossTKR on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:27PM (#24570917)
Pretty sure 99 out of a 100 don't know what "文A" means. I've had the same complaint, - never once did it occurs to me that "文A" meant translation.

This to me is a testament to the fact that most buttons should actually be text unless extremely common like the hamburger menu, but even that's debatable.

Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by webmaven on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:11PM (#24571410)
> This to me is a testament to the fact that most buttons should actually be text unless extremely common like the hamburger menu, but even that's debatable.

I agree, especially on mobile (even in 2020, many users — who often just got used to the hamburger menu — don't realize that the vertical ellipsis is a symbol for "menu" or "more options", it often just looks like a random decoration to them), although on a desktop website or app you (hopefully) have the option of hovering the mouse pointer (even accidentally) over any unfamiliar bit of UI gubbins to get a clue.

I'll note though that the specific example of "文A" is, in fact, a text label. The first Chinese glyph even translates as "text".

Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:19PM (#24571495)
> I'll note though that the specific example of "文A" is, in fact, a text label.

Only in the sense that those glyphs are used in certain writing systems. It's not text in the more important sense of expressing a linguistic message. It's just random characters. "文A" is a text label to exactly the same degree that ":-)" is a text label.

Note in particular that the Chinese glyph does not translate as "language". That would be 语/語. As you accurately note, it translates as "writing".

Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by Kliment on Thursday September 24, 2020 @05:50AM (#24576964)
That's not quite true - 语 as in 汉语 is a spoken language or dialect. 文 is used for written language, and can mean a language in general, a writing system, or an entire culture, depending on what you combine it with.
Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by thaumasiotes on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:06AM (#24579287)
> depending on what you combine it with

It's standing alone here. I'm aware of words like 文明 and 中文, but here are the 14 glosses for 文 in the 现代汉语规范词典:

1. (verb) to tattoo or paint patterns or words onto a body

2. (noun, literary) a pattern, particularly as of wood grain

3. (noun) ancient rites/ceremonies

4. (noun) non-military affairs (opposite of 武)

5. (adjective) gentle; not fierce

6. (noun) indicating phenomena of nature or of human society

7. (noun) writing

8. (noun) an essay

9. (noun) the humanities and social sciences

10. (noun) an official document

11. (noun) Classical Chinese (the language that is to China as Latin is to southern Europe)

12. (measure word) used for the copper coins of traditional China

13. (verb) to cover; hide

14. A surname

Most of these senses come from words that include the morpheme 文, not from uses it permits alone, but "language" is still not even listed.

Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by Kliment on Friday September 25, 2020 @10:15AM (#24589937)
新华字典 has a gloss of "language" with "written language (文字)" and "foreign language (外文)" given as examples. That's where I'm getting it from.
Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by MayeulC on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:14PM (#24571443)
Well, it has one merit at the very least: regardless of the interface language, you will find that button.
Re:Wikipedia is getting a new look by thaumasiotes on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:26PM (#24571581)
That isn't true either. The button has no borders nor any other indication that it's a button; it appears to be a simple decoration on the mobile page.