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Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by Der_Einzige on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:44PM (#24569778)
That's why Astroid Mining and inter-steller mining technologies can't come soon enough.

I can't believe that we went to the moon in the 1960's and now we cannot get support 60 years later for trying to economically exploit space.

Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by jeffreyrogers on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:47PM (#24569826)
What can we mine in space that we can't mine more cheaply on Earth?
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by manishsharan on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:03PM (#24569992)
Unobtanium
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by cellis on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:19PM (#24570823)
It’s environmentally friendly to mine asteroids, so in a way, it will always be “cheaper” to pollute an unlivable rock rather than our only sustainable habitat.
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by nsonha on Thursday September 24, 2020 @04:31AM (#24576557)
It'll take like 100 year to get to that point. That's 100 yeard of space engineering simply polluting Earth and then maybe another 100 years to break even?
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by shrimp_emoji on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:33PM (#24570967)
Yes, when the space infrastructure is there.

Once in orbit, it takes very little energy to go to an asteroid and to launch that asteroid to a parking orbit compared to dredging mountains of soil and rock on Earth. The yields would be extremely high; there's more gold and platinum in some Inner Belt asteroids than we've ever mined on Earth so far, and it's just floating there for you to grab and bite chunks out of.

Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by giantrobot on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:27PM (#24572273)
> Once in orbit, it takes very little energy to go to an asteroid and to launch that asteroid to a parking orbit compared to dredging mountains of soil and rock on Earth. The yields would be extremely high; there's more gold and platinum in some Inner Belt asteroids than we've ever mined on Earth so far, and it's just floating there for you to grab and bite chunks out of.

This is not true at all. This is laughably absurd. Getting from Earth's surface to LEO takes about 9.8km/s of delta-v but then getting from LEO to another destination requires more delta-v. To get to the Moon requires another 6km/s of delta-v on top of the 9.8km/s you needed to get from the ground into orbit. There's a reason the Saturn V was a giant rocket with a teeny tiny capsule mounted on top. Getting places in space requires a lot of propellant.

Here's a nice list of NEAs and the delta-v required to reach them (one way) from LEO[0]. The list is very helpfully sorted by delta-v requirements. You'll notice that the easiest NEA (2018 AV2) requires an additional 3.758km/s of delta-v. The easiest to reach NEA on the least requires more than half the delta-v that it would take to land on the Moon. Once you rendezvous with an asteroid you need to come home which requires yet more delta-v (thus more propellant). Moving an asteroid to orbit Earth is not in any way as simple as you might think from reading science fiction.

So there's nothing "very little" about the energy required to land on an asteroid let alone land on one, mine anything useful, and then return it to Earth. There's also the complexity of the vehicle needed to do the mining. Platinum (pure platinum mind you) goes for up to $37k per kg.

Even if we pretended that all of the technology existed and was donated and we just paid for a Falcon Heavy launch (about $150m to get about 17t of payload to an asteroid) we would need to ship back 4t of pure platinum to Earth just to break even. Even if you assumed that in the best case platinum was a thousand times more abundant in an asteroid than Earth's crust[1] that's still only 5ppm! You'd need your asteroid miner to process about eight million tons of ore (if my math is right) to get that 4t.

If our asteroid miner is 17t or so how long do you think it will take to process that much ore? The loan for the Falcon Heavy would have defaulted long before it would be even close to finished. There's just nothing asteroids have that ends up being worth the cost to mine them instead of mining them on Earth. Don't forget besides raw ore Earth also has lots of landfills literally filled with stuff than can be recycled and valuable materials extracted.

Materials in space are only really useful to an entirely space-based industry and the only way to bootstrap a space-based industry is to launch it from Earth which is basically just lighting money on fire.

[0] https://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/~lance/delta_v/delta_v.rendezvous.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth...

Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by imtringued on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:24PM (#24572832)
Rocket fuel but now we are getting into circular logic...
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ... by senectus1 on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @08:39PM (#24574068)
the only sensible reason to mine space is to build in space.

Its not cost effective by and order of magnitude to mine in space and bring it back to earth.