As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.
Words are cheap, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that some employees might not feel that way or trust him to back up those words with real actions.
> And I'm sure he can believe in whatever he wants - in Christ, Flat Earth and Aliens if he wants.
They sure can and I can choose who I work for. If someone thinks I don't deserve the right to get married (again, people want to gloss over this but he didn't /think/ that, he /thinks/ that) then it's not crazy that I might not want them as my boss and especially at a place like Mozilla that prides themselves on openness and inclusivity. Unlike most companies the employees at Mozilla did feel compelled and safe enough to speak out against their CEO, that doesn't fly at many companies. At a smaller company I worked at I had no protection to call out the president who would always lead the company in prayer before we had a meal even though I'm not religious. I personally think it's encouraging that many gay (and straight) employees did take a stand on this issue.
> As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.
Then you haven't been looking and your outsiderness shows. Not all of us live in CA and not all of us are protected by labor laws where we do live. I've seen first hand fat shaming and heard plenty of language/jokes/etc that warned me that coming out would be extremely detrimental to my ability to progress and even do my job at some companies. If you truly believe that the backlash to people who are homophobes is worse than the effects of their homophobia then I encourage you reevaluate that stance. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming", the "shaming" was aimed at the person who supported not allowing gay people to marry and the people who defended someone who supported not allowing gay people. You are describing it as if people were mad at other people for not calling Eich out, no, they were mad at the people defending him.
Why don't they speak last years? Do they support how CEO manages company? If not should we believe employees had any say than?
> even though I'm not religious
That's the problem, I'd expect if you was the president these prayers would not have a word. Minority who does not understand other minorities.
> You are describing it as if people were mad at other people for not calling Eich out
No, I am describing people who said not a world of love. Who see only their stance and force it on other people. I by comparison do not care - that's neutral. I am against propaganda and hate speech.
Because of law.
Uber CEO stepped down after a number of scandals.
I do not work at Mozilla. What I see is several people ask to leave another because who he is. And I do not see mirror action "please leave because who you are". This is discrimination. Law has not helped that person. He was honest not to lie about his believes. He left the company.
I do not know how honest current CEO is. I've heard at least some people left the company because of management actions. I know a lot were fired. I think people hacking source code, helping with bug tracking feel uneasy, I do.
[1] Mozilla employees tell Brendan Eich he needs to “step down” [2014] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7482017
I've heard of him peacefully supporting his believes. Is this outlaw? Don't LGBT community do the same? Should LGBT CEOs be fired? Should LGBT employees be fired for what they do?
Even Eich acknowledges he hurt people.[1] He just thought they should trust him anyway.
[1] https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/
The way you do not see how behavior was not balanced you hurt me. I expect my words could hurt you. I try my best to avoid it.
Equality is a line on the sand. For some reason you've decided only your line is true. Tradition says another line is true. From that point of view your line is subverting the language. And language got hurt a lot, like some words are bastards and there is no equality for them.
The loss of clarity. I am not native language speaker yet I feel language becoming slippery, that hurts. Entire generations could loss sharp of mind just because some people want to change meaning instead of inventing new words. What's in "marriage" for you? How about "unity"? Why do you want all the baggage of forced marriage, child marriage? What would you do with "father" and "mother", "uncle" and "aunt"? What about that stream of he/she? Get noun genders like many other languages if you care that much.
Language is alive. Current state can be just a swing waiting to turn back into nonsense babbling criticized by Orwell [1]. Invent your own metaphors. We have had grammar nazi, now we've got LGBT nazi. Fear us, lie to us, conform us or mob will lynch. Can you imagine what would happen if Brendan asked LGBT employees to step down? If no, please, do not respond.
[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20200808042031/https://www.orwell...
And $2.1K to a prop 8 supporter [0]
> He backtracked and apologized but was cancelled anyways.
This is lie and you are re-writing history. I can find no such statement from him. In fact all he said was he wanted to "express my sorrow at having caused pain" [1], the classic "I'm sorry your were offended by that" non-apology. He has never stated that his support of Prop 8 was wrong, he side-stepped the whole thing expecting us not to notice.
> It will eventually come back to kill those that think you are not allowed to marry your mother, and probably, eventually, to those that think you are allowed to be religious
What the... no seriously, what the heck? You can believe whatever you want to believe but you don't get to push your religious values onto others which is exactly what Prop 8 did. Please cut out the BS that this is somehow going to lead to outlawing religion.
[0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/new-m...
[1] https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/