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Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by michaelt on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:29AM (#24565277)
> he could have made the donation anonymously, but decided to do it in his own name [...] That was stupid.

Clearly it didn't work out well for him, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of stupidity so much as naïvety.

After all, he'd probably seen plenty of his peers publicly supporting other political causes without problems.

He just didn't realise the situation was "Leader of open source nonprofit, right-wing, publicly political, pick any 2"

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by joubert on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:47AM (#24565384)
"political causes without problems"

If the political cause is to take away freedom from others, you can expect resistance.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by FeepingCreature on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @08:57AM (#24566439)
Political support for causes is also an important freedom.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by joubert on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @10:04AM (#24567176)
Indeed. Both of our statements are true!
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by jacquesm on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:43AM (#24565355)
Fair enough, though I tend to not see people in that income bracket as 'naive', it could very well have been, or a case of being completely tone deaf.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by srtjstjsj on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @09:08AM (#24566561)
Is it that surprising that a left wing organization (Free Software is an extremely left wing philisophy) expects left wing leadership?
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by seneca on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @09:35AM (#24566865)
> Free Software is an extremely left wing philisophy

That's revisionist history. Free software, and the greater "hacker" community, has historically been libertarian. It's only recently that authoritarian leftism took over.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by quickthrowman on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @07:11AM (#24565526)
“Denying a minority group rights shared by others” is not a political cause, it is hate, plain and simple.

What if he was donating to support miscegenation? Would that be over the line?

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by FeepingCreature on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @08:57AM (#24566446)
No. Anyone should be able to support any political cause at any time.

In a free society, we do not rely on force to produce morally correct behavior, except by force of state. We rely on law instead, which conversely requires complete freedom to participate in the democratic apparatus. Anything that messes with that messes with the very heart of a liberal democracy.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by pseudalopex on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:09PM (#24572069)
Freedom of association doesn't rely on law.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by FeepingCreature on Thursday September 24, 2020 @05:43AM (#24576925)
Corporations do not have unlimited freedom of association anyways. For instance, we already acknowledge that corporations can't refuse to associate with people on the basis of skin color. Saying that they could, say, fire a black CEO because otherwise their KKK customers would walk out, already doesn't fly; I don't see why it should have with Eich. I think racial equality is important, but political neutrality is at least equally important, because if that fails then liberalism is fucked, and liberalism is the best guarantor of racial equality as well.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by pseudalopex on Thursday September 24, 2020 @02:56PM (#24582206)
Mozilla employees, volunteers, and others used their freedom of speech to say they would exercise their freedom to dissociate from Eich if he continued to support discrimination. Eich dissociated himself from Mozilla so the others wouldn't.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by FeepingCreature on Friday September 25, 2020 @12:36AM (#24586620)
Yeah, "voluntarily."

Okay, let me explain that one. I know he says that, and I know Mozilla says that, but "I've decided to leave of my own accord" has simply become such a cliche that it can no longer be distinguished from firing.

In any case, this mostly just supports my view that people don't understand liberalism and why we need it. When an atheist and a christian can sit down together and have a peaceful family dinner without talking about politics, despite the fact that at least one of them thinks that it's a matter of utmost moral importance that the other change his mind, this is a miracle of social cohesion that is crucial to keeping society together. And we're losing it.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by srtjstjsj on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @09:12AM (#24566592)
Prop 8 banned gay marriage but not gay domestic partnerships. It's a highly technical issue more nuanced than you are saying, despite the unnuanced views of many of its supporters.