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Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by twelvechairs on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:31AM (#24564080)
> If they left, it would probably be pretty hard to replace them with anyone capable of saving Firefox who would settle for less.

Its an open source project people believe in. Reduce the pay and you are probably actually more likely to cut out the worst execs and focus only on smart people who want to contribute.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by untog on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @07:58AM (#24565933)
Open source projects are full of smart people who want to contribute and are still often organisational clusterfucks. Unfortunately being smart and passionate alone doesn’t necessarily make you an effective leader.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:43PM (#24570444)
True, but why is leadership at such an economic premium to development? It's not like the CEO writes a pile of code for 40 hours a week and then puts in another 30 hours on top doing all the corporate administration. It's an necessary but distinct job that complements the technical one but isn't so superior to it.

Yes, indeed a good CEO has offers from elsewhere. But...why isn't the business and governance open-sourced like the codebase?

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by untog on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:50PM (#24570512)
At the most basic level leadership is at a premium because there are fewer truly good leaders than there are developers.

Now, is every well paid CEO a truly good leader? No. But I’d argue it’s a lot more difficult to assess a good leader than a good developer. There’s a lot more people management, marketing and other soft skills involved. Not to mention the time scales for success are much larger.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by kelnos on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:09PM (#24570719)
I'd say it's actually easy to evaluate a leader, at least one with experience under their belt. You look at the performance of their organization. If they're a CEO, it's especially trivial: you look at the performance of the entire company. If they're a VP or Director of a smaller section of the org, you can still measure that section's performance, though it does get a little muddier.

At a decent-sized org it is nearly impossible to measure an individual developer's impact with any granularity.

I think this should also illustrate that evaluating a leader and evaluating a developer are two entirely different things that can't be directly compared anyway.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by untog on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#24573280)
> You look at the performance of their organization.

But over what timescale? For startups especially it is not easy to evaluate a job that involves long term planning in the short term.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:43PM (#24571775)
The thing is, it benefits the people in professional management roles to promote this point of view and institutionalize practices like outside hires in order to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. They don't need to conspire about this (in the Adam Smith sense), just echo the notion of corporate management as such a distinct skillset that it needs to be sought out rather than grown and that will eventually come to have its own moat effect.

Eventually you get CEOs making statements that amount to 'I deliver 10x or 20x more value to this company than you, all my CEO peers say so.'