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Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by potatochup on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @05:22PM (#24560092)
Side note, but why are water polo and volleyball considered upper-class sports in the USA? I understand regular polo, rowing, etc, because of the cost of equipment. But at my school (on the other side of the world), volleyball was for the islanders, and water polo was for the misfits who couldn't make it in a more popular sport. What sports in the USA are for the plebs? Baseball?
Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by Rebelgecko on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @07:02PM (#24561030)
>Side note, but why are water polo and volleyball considered upper-class sports in the USA?

Beach volleyball is more common in areas close to the beach. Beach and indoor players are also significantly taller than the average person-- in the league that my college was a part of, the shortest woman playing middle blocker was still 185cm. Height and beach access both have correlations to socioeconomic factors.

For various reasons, the US has huge racial disparities when it comes to swimming ability. Most African American and Hispanic children don't know how to swim.

As others have mentioned, football, basketball and to a lesser extent soccer/baseball tend to be the "pleb" sports. But even within a sport, you'll see class and racial distinctions when you compare different positions. When you look at pros and college, the majority of quarterbacks and centers are white. QBs also tend to come from wealthier families. Meanwhile, wide receivers and running backs are mostly black. The defense is mostly black, and I don't think there's a single non-black cornerback in the NFL (unless you miscount Tre'Davious White)

Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by DaiPlusPlus on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:28AM (#24563306)
> Most African American and Hispanic children don't know how to swim.

Out of curiosity, how common is it for public elementary, middle and high-schools to include swimming lessons in (mandatory) PE class in general? How often do schools without their own swimming pools take their PE class at a nearby public pool?

Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by unishark on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:18AM (#24563588)
A club might go elsewhere for a pool or track, but I don't think it's at all common for a plain old PE class to go off campus except perhaps to use a gym if the school lacks one. And I don't think having your own pool is very common for a high school or below.
Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by garmaine on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:36AM (#24563345)
Fwiw, I have never heard of this. Swimming wasn’t a part of PE where I grew up.
Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by protomyth on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @08:04PM (#24561484)
Water polo requires a pool which is an expense that doesn't make sense for non-rich schools. Volleyball doesn't have a major professional league nor one of the big college sports in the USA, so its not in the interest of poor students to take part in because they probably could also be playing Basketball which has a very high profile league and is a major college sport.
Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by renewiltord on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @06:31PM (#24560763)
Basketball and football are for the plebs. You can usually detect which sports by taking Census race-income measures then comparing them against the visible racial demographic of participants in the sport.

This works well as a heuristic because visible racial characteristics are visible and the rich don't usually want to play with the poor.

Re:UC Berkeley inappropriately admitted students as favors t... by edmundsauto on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @05:57PM (#24560434)
Water polo requires a pool, which is expensive. Baseball requires a large field, also expensive. I believe basketball is so popular in part because of the (relatively) low equipment/space cost.