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Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by mturmon on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @04:41PM (#24559633)
> But that nice shiny metal lamp you've got? It's got the neutral bonded to the body...

Another commenter pointed this out, but I have to chime in as well: no. Not true. The neutral is NOT bonded to the exterior body of a metal lamp. Not even on old fixtures built in the 1960s.

The old fixtures, if they were metal, were often not grounded, i.e. the lamp might not be connected by a 3-prong plug (hot, neutral, ground). But the neutral was definitely not bonded to the metal body.

If you inspect a new fixture, typically this means: it is either constructed with no accessible conductive parts, OR its metal case is bonded to the ground (not neutral!) and it has a 3-prong plug, OR it has a step-down transformer that converts to lower voltage before it enters the conductive lamp.

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The thing that does happen when switching the neutral wire on a lamp is that doing so will energize the more-accessible "outer ring" of the Edison female receptacle rather than the less-accessible "center pin". This means that if you change the bulb with the switch on, you'd be more likely to contact the hot "outer ring".

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by JonathonW on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @05:12PM (#24559966)
> The thing that does happen when switching the neutral wire on a lamp is that doing so will energize the more-accessible "outer ring" of the Edison female receptacle rather than the less-accessible "center pin". This means that if you change the bulb with the switch on, you'd be more likely to contact the hot "outer ring".

Also, in most cases, the switch is only across (the wire that is supposed to be) the hot lead-- with neutral and hot swapped at the plug, you're not only energizing the outer ring of the light bulb socket, but also leaving it energized when the switch is off.

This leaves a shock hazard exposed even when the switch is off-- the lamp still won't light under normal circumstances because there's no path to ground with the switch off on the neutral line, but if you provide it one (your body) by touching it, you'll still get a shock regardless of the state of the switch.

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by nucleardog on Thursday September 24, 2020 @04:35AM (#24576577)
> This leaves a shock hazard exposed even when the switch is off

Yeah, comment kinda got downvoted into oblivion for a slightly off example, but this was kind of my point. There are a lot of appliances that become significantly less safe when you put the power into places it's not supposed to be. And the danger is non-obvious.

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by mturmon on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @11:09PM (#24562530)
> ...you'll still get a shock regardless of the state of the switch...

oops, yes, good point.

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by nucleardog on Thursday September 24, 2020 @04:33AM (#24576568)
Fair enough -- my mistake, just assumed this was kosher based off of finding a few cheap appliances with 120v on the body and finding them plugged into reverse-wired receptacles.
Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by mturmon on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:26AM (#24579490)
Don't mean to be pushy, but: Are there really toasters, of any vintage, that can have an energized case due to a reverse-wired receptacle? I'm doubtful, but I don't know.
Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by nucleardog on Friday September 25, 2020 @04:19AM (#24587750)
In the toaster case I was more referring to the heating elements inside.