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Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by bayindirh on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @04:11AM (#24552119)
> But the diagnostic procedure had nothing to do whether it's an old TV or something else. It was caused by EMI and is detectable with readily-available test equipment which indeed detected it immediately.

They concluded that something is fishy because normal procedures didn't fix anything. I'm not sure that this is a problem they diagnose 5 times a week.

> But the ISP should be able to tell whether their uplink is saturated (and actually upgrade it if it happens too often), so if they're consistently getting complaints around a certain timeframe and the uplink is not saturated during those timeframes then it must be something else.

Good luck escalating this problem from a village to correct people in a big-shiny-ISP(TM). They're too busy(!) to look for 10 customers' problem. I accept that 18 months in unacceptable but, this is the reality we're in. Support and Ops teams are always overworked because management thinks that "the load just doesn't justify more hands in that department".

> This is a problem then and should be addressed.

The backbone operators and ISPs doesn't monitor SNR levels because they're transient and doesn't provide meaningful data. If you want to do it, it's millions of connections. Also, Not everyone use the standard equipment provided by the ISP so, they cannot get info from all devices (e.g.: from mine). So, endpoint ops are complex if you're working on a WAN with random equipment.

Instead, using bandwidth graphs to find problems is more practical and reliable. Since the problem starts at 07:00, it shows like "They're not using their connections much, eh?" in the said graphs.

Disclosure: My workplace also happens to be the national academic network operator. I'm two hops away from a country-wide core router.

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by Nextgrid on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @04:25AM (#24552198)
> because normal procedures didn't fix anything

But why did it take 18 months to realize that? You've got an issue that occurs consistently and is preventing customers from getting the service they're paying for (and are presumably in contracts so they can't even cancel without a major fight).

> They're too busy(!) to look for 10 customers' problem

So we're in agreement that this is unacceptable and resolving this problem has been grossly mismanaged and someone should be held accountable?

> doesn't monitor SNR levels because they're transient and doesn't provide meaningful data

This seems weird to me. You've got a nationwide network designed to run on old, poor quality wiring (the article doesn't specify whether it's DSL or coax, but it would apply to both). Wiring issues should be expected and automated processes in place to monitor it and quickly detect issues like this one.

> Not everyone use the standard equipment provided by the ISP

Can't this be collected at the DSLAM or CMTS level? Or in case of DSL, even at the PPP level? (Andrews & Arnold - a small DSL ISP in the UK - measures packet loss at that level and while it's not true SNR, it would be enough for these purposes as localized packet loss would pretty much always mean bad SNR or failing equipment)

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by donalhunt on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @07:18AM (#24553180)
I can guarantee that the customer reports came in as "my broadband isn't working again this morning...". And that's for the customers who called in.

Unless you had 50+% of the village calling up every morning for a week, it would not have been identified as a cluster event (and I suspect many ops orgs don't have the means to identify clusters anyway).

Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by brutusborn on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @06:30AM (#24552898)
What does the (!) after "busy" mean? P.s. Thankyou for sharing your experience, it's very insightful.
Re:Old TV caused village broadband outages for 18 months by nefitty on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @07:00AM (#24553055)
They’re probably using it to express incredulity.

“The mechanic told me it would cost $5000(!) to fix, so I decided to scrap the car instead.”