Have you considered that your favored interventions are, in addition to being extremely harmful to society in every measurable way, probably also completely ineffective in altering the outcomes? Sweden didn't do a thing and is basically done with this nonsense, presumably for all time from the looks of the plots; Massachusetts is still mostly locked down and has 4x the death rate. Lockdown fetishists should be greeted with "citations needed."

> Sweden […] is basically done

False, confirmed cases have grown 4.4% since the start of September.

> Massachusetts is still mostly locked down and has 4x the death rate [of Sweden]

False, us/ma has 1.42‰ and se has 0.58‰. That's a ratio of only 2.45.

> "citations needed."

https://covid.observer/se/

https://covid.observer/us/ma/

> False, confirmed cases have grown 4.4% since the start of September.

And yet they've more or less had zero deaths per day since the start of August. So yeah, they basically are done.

The correct numbers are 5743 (2020-08-01) → 5865 (2020-09-21), i.e. 122 or a growth of only about 2%, which is indeed very good. Only Ireland, Italy, China, Belgium are better (and 18 outlier countries adding zero to one deaths only because they each have less than 83 deaths absolute). So, following that definition of "done", I agree Sweden meets it.

But at what cost? Its deaths per capita quotient is horrendous! The thirteen worst countries are:

                  |deaths 2020-09-21|pop in million|deaths/1000 capita
    San Marino                    42         0.0339               1.24
    Peru                       31369        32.5105               0.96
    Belgium                     9950        11.5393               0.86
    Andorra                       53         0.0771               0.69
    Bolivia                     7654        11.5131               0.66
    Spain                      30663        46.7368               0.66
    Chile                      12379        18.952                0.65
    Brazil                    137285       211.0495               0.65
    Ecuador                    11095        17.3737               0.64
    United Kingdom             41877        67.5302               0.62
    US                        199862       329.0649               0.61
    Italy                      35724        60.5501               0.59
    Sweden                      5865        10.0364               0.58

The average for that column is 0.12 and the median is 0.04. It's a really bad trade-off for Sweden to let five to sixteen times more people die than usual just to achieve a small growth rate a couple of months into the pandemic; this does not make any sense. For comparison, Germany's growth in deaths in that time frame was also quite small, namely 2.5%, but they have an under average death quotient of only 0.11.

Did you read my parent comment right above? I don't claim to know exactly what the policies should be. And I explicitly stated that hardcore lockdowns that extend for months don't seem like a good idea.

I was just trying to push and get some clarity into how just-juan-post thinks about it, as clearly there is some obvious disagreement and I wondered what circumstances they think justify different interventions.

I'm fine with 1 million.

One million is 99.7% of the USA.

Multiple studies have shown that the fatality rate is about .3%.