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Re:Almost 90 percent of NYC bars and restaurants couldn’t pa... by watwut on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @02:15AM (#24551453)
> If people are scared and won't go to restaurants

If people are responsible and won't go to restaurants ...

Or long form: If people know there is infectious disease around with asymptomatic transmission and rationally decide not to go to restaurant to ...

Framing does a lot.

Re:Almost 90 percent of NYC bars and restaurants couldn’t pa... by just-juan-post on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @02:44AM (#24551622)
> If people are responsible and won't go to restaurants

See here's the thing: Just because you and others like you have a certain definition of "responsible" doesn't mean it should or does apply to everyone.

Should we ban skydiving because it's irresponsible? Condom-less sex?

This is about choice. Re-open and let people and businesses choose.

Have a laugh with me tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

Re:Almost 90 percent of NYC bars and restaurants couldn’t pa... by piva00 on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @06:15AM (#24552808)
No, this is about the common good, where personal choices might have a disproportionate impact unto others.

I don't care if you don't care about getting infected or not, I do care if you get infected and spread that to others that don't hold your values.

Society and populations don't work well with personal responsibility when their actions' impacts are too far removed from their personal sphere, if you kill someone 3rd hand because you infected someone who worked in a care facility: how are you going to know and act accordingly?

This bullshit about personal freedoms and responsibility in the middle of a pandemic tells me more about the people who don't have a holistic view of society but this ideologue monologue about personal freedom, this is your value, this isn't how society work yet.

Re:Almost 90 percent of NYC bars and restaurants couldn’t pa... by watwut on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @09:04AM (#24553939)
None of that implies that systematically trying to frame people who don't go to restaurant as emotional or acting on fear is fair way to frame it.

Disagreement over what is responsible is something entirely different then "your fear".

Re:Almost 90 percent of NYC bars and restaurants couldn’t pa... by 666lumberjack on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @05:26AM (#24552540)
If it were possible to ensure everyone who would potentially be exposed to covid-19 as a result of your decision to engage in high-risk activities had given informed consent, I'd be fine with letting people decide for themselves.

Since that isn't the case, your comparison is patently absurd. Skydiving isn't contagious.