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Re:Signposts for “when to hire more QA testers” by ALittleLight on Monday September 21, 2020 @03:07PM (#24547160)
I think "manual test pass" is very seductive and very dangerous. Compared to writing good automation, manual testing once is cheaper, easier, and faster. Manual testing indefinitely is more expensive, harder, and slower. Short term thinking gets you stuck with flawed and burdensome manual testing.

In my view, the best approach is rigorous automation and manual exploratory testing which will find the kind of bugs automation misses and inspire new test cases.

Re:Signposts for “when to hire more QA testers” by pydry on Monday September 21, 2020 @03:30PM (#24547449)
There's definitely an inflection point.

I think automation is often a waste of time at the beginning of a project too. Bugs don't cost much (if anything). Building functionality that gets tossed away is routine. Tests don't provide value - getting the code in front of customers and seeing if it's what they really want provides value.

The problem is that once people get used to not having automated tests is can be difficult to build up the habit.

Unit tests are also often hard (if not impossible) to retrofit, although IMO that's a bigger problem with unit tests than it is doing testing at a later stage in the project.

Re:Signposts for “when to hire more QA testers” by wangvnn on Monday September 21, 2020 @06:31PM (#24549150)
The problem is not about automation or manual but creating and maintaining a good test plan (including exploratory tests). And we just simply cannot rely on engineer for good test plan. After having a good test plan we can decide to how much we should have for manual vs automation.. the simple rule of software dev is use before reuse, manual before automation.. but some are just too much obsessed with automate everything motto.