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Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by CPLX on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:13AM (#24544376)
That's arguable. A reasonable case could be made for the idea that a call is a required prerequisite for a raise.
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by k1t on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:21AM (#24544465)
True - but in a professional setting if you say "I'll call..." then that's it you're calling. You can't tag "..and raise you..." on the end - they would not accept the raise.
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by dtparr on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:58AM (#24544885)
I've been in otherwise pretty friendly games where string bets were disallowed. Or at best, the first time it happened (generally by a new player), it was accepted but the table agreed not to allow anymore for anyone.
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by Plyphon_ on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:35AM (#24544620)
I've often said:

"I see your [bet] and raise you [x]" - would that be accepted?

Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by hn_anon_reply on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:50AM (#24544785)
It can depend on where you are playing, but you run the risk of getting called for a string bet. The way you worded it definitely makes it sound that way because of the "and" combining two actions. If it is a friendly game you are unlikely to face issue, but in a contentious game with unknown enemies, this quote would get you called for a string bet in some of the casinos I've played.
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by ryandrake on Monday September 21, 2020 @03:04PM (#24547134)
Even most friendly games I play, where the rules are VERY relaxed, do not allow "I see your X and raise you Y" string bets. This pattern is pretty firmly a relic of the past (if it ever existed outside of Hollywood).
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by spurgu on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:48AM (#24544765)
I suppose it depends on the house, and floor, but I think it might be fine as you're not explicitly saying "call". I always just say "raise" and put in the chips (all at once!), or say "I raise to XXX" with XXX being the total amount (call+raise), after which I can take my time counting out the chips (or put more than the total raise amount if I don't have exact change).

Saying call and then adding a raise is similar to string betting, where you first put some chips to gauge your opponents reaction, and then put in some more. That's not allowed but so many beginners do it.

Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by mikeryan on Monday September 21, 2020 @05:42PM (#24548796)
No that's a string bet. It's generally explicitly not allowed so you can't fish for info after saying "I see your bet....."

Some places may let you do it once, but by rule its not allowed in Casinos.

Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by JamesSwift on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:26PM (#24546062)
Everywhere I've played would call that as a string bet
Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by jasonwatkinspdx on Monday September 21, 2020 @12:01PM (#24544941)
Naw, any place reasonably serious will have a string betting rule and similar. The reason is that you could start out with "and I call your 500" then pause slightly to see if your opponent starts moving/reacting in some way that signals their likely response before deciding whether to follow up with your raise. Likewise most places have a rule that you have to count out your bet then push it all out at once, or declare the full amount clearly verbally. Even the piddling little $100 buy in tourneys I played in during the poker craze 15 years ago had these rules.

Dealers tend to just shut down anyone that plays silly games around delaying or feinting what they're going to maybe do to. I was at Acapulco Joe's one time playing the cheap limit tables with a dealer that was out of patience with this one guy that was acting like he was on national tv for the world series finals. Finally at one point when he was dickering around she just looked at him, said "he calls" took his chips and moved on lol.

Re:Nikola’s founder steps down from board as company faces f... by mikerathbun on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:54AM (#24544830)
Only on TV. People in casinos can be sticklers when you verbally announce one action and then tack on another. Imagine saying something like, "I call" look for a reaction and if that person looks dejected quickly follow Up with, "and raise you $x". It is sometimes referred to as "Angle shooting"