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Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by cratermoon on Monday September 21, 2020 @10:37AM (#24543987)
I wonder if the FAA is even properly equipped to examine, test, and certify software like the MCAS law even in the best of times, much less under the current administration.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by cultus on Monday September 21, 2020 @10:50AM (#24544128)
Considering they essentially abandoned doing certification themselves over 20 years ago, I would kind of doubt they have the institutional memory or people to conduct that function.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by mannykannot on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:18AM (#24544434)
And yet, over that time, airline travel has become unprecedently safe. I think it is reasonable to assume that the FAA can function effectively in this manner, if (and only if) it is adequately funded for that role, and its independence is respected and protected.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by ashtonkem on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:12PM (#24545900)
Air travel has gotten much safer over the past half century and an usually high percentage of 737 Max aircraft have suffered a complete hull loss with all passengers and crew dying. As has been mentioned before "past performance is not predictive of future results".

As best as Wikipedia can tell me, Boeing has delivered 130 Max's which flew ~120,000 flight hours. Even if we completely disregard all MCAS failures that the pilots were able to mitigate, two 737 Max 8's were destroyed within the first two years of operation, representing ~1.5% of the aircraft actually in operation in two years. That is a pretty alarming statistic, and points to the Max 8 genuinely being an unsafe aircraft.

Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by dv_dt on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:53AM (#24544816)
This is an example of why humans are terrible at evaluating risk that comes with a time lag. Airline travel was becoming safer on regulatory standards and decisions probably made for the most part 20 years ago at critical design stages of the current fleet of aircraft.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by yourapostasy on Monday September 21, 2020 @12:18PM (#24545169)
"Past performance is not a predictor of future results."

I still upvoted your comment even though I disagree with the sentiment because I see this a lot when risk management is considered by many. Unless risk management is your domain expertise, or you've been to lots and lots of different organizations to observe what works and what didn't, it is a very human perspective.

Risk management is not performed by saying, "Nothing bad has happened even less, therefore let's keep with the status quo or make it more lax to save money." Reactive risk management based upon the rear-view mirror is a great way to invite extinction-level tail risk into the organization's house.

We could play an exciting game of Cognitive Bias Bingo [1] with such a perspective, though.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by kevin_thibedeau on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:40AM (#24544666)
Boeing was just coasting before the MBA's damage came to fruition.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by linuxftw on Monday September 21, 2020 @02:52PM (#24547014)
The FAA didn't even want to ground the Aircraft. It was completely reactionary after every other jurisdiction did and was reportedly demanded by the president. They are fundamentally untrustworthy, they thought 2 fatal crashes were not worthy of grounding a brand new design.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by redis_mlc on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:04AM (#24544275)
No, that's delegated to ODAs paid by and reporting to Boeing managers, which is the systemic problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_Designation_Autho...

The FAA relies on certification paperwork, which was falsified for the 737 MAX.

So the FAA was completely cut out of the certification process.

Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by asdfasdf4322 on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:44AM (#24544709)
it was certified under Obama administration https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by imglorp on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:03PM (#24545790)
The deregulation process is the issue, which was a major effort of Bush'43.

“The roots of this crisis can be found in a major change that the FAA instituted in its regulatory responsibility in 2005. Rather than naming and supervising its own ‘designated airworthiness representatives,’ the agency decided to allow Boeing and other manufacturers who qualified under the revised procedures to select their own employees to certify the safety of their aircraft. In justifying this change, the agency said at the time that it would save the aviation industry about $25 billion from 2006 to 2015. Therefore, the manufacturer is providing safety oversight of itself. This is a worrying move toward industry self-certification.” -- https://www.dcreport.org/2019/03/18/how-deregulation-made-fl...

Obama should be faulted for oversight perhaps, but the ball was rolling long before.

Trump _has_ made broad efforts to force _further_ FAA dereg. -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarcia/2019/03/18/did-tru...

Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by thisisbrians on Monday September 21, 2020 @01:03PM (#24545789)
So, you think things have improved since then?
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by ilaksh on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:30AM (#24544565)
It doesn't even get to that point. They have no _desire_ to actually ensure those aircraft are safe. It's criminal disregard for their public duty.
Re:Boeing whistle-blower says proposed 737 Max fixes aren't ... by AniseAbyss on Monday September 21, 2020 @11:56AM (#24544868)
Boeing is too big to fail and everyone knows it. Nobody is going to jail.